Is abortion wrong? Should it be illegalised? Should everyone give it a crack (even guys)?
Discuss. I'll be in later for a long post about it.

I dont think its wrong, under certain circumstances. I mean if a girl is going to have a baby and its going to destroy her life to an extend that the kid would feel unwanted or if it would put the girls life in danger it could be consdered. but other than that i think there should be restraints put on it.

You are not a person until you get out of that womb and can live without being a parasite. Until then, you have no rights and nobody should care when you get aborted.

Well, that is a very touchy subject, I think it should only be used if the mother was a rape victim.

Abortion can really be a good thing.

Some terrible mistakes, rapes, and things like that. You'Re not "someone" when you only are a feotus... But abortion is the solution when you can't do anything else.

Condoms, some medication, and everything you can use to PREVENT pregnancy. First thing to think about... but sometimes, like for a rape, you just can't use it...

I agree

I am pro-abortion, mainly for the issue listed above (rape victims).

I think this could sort of branch off into the whole "Stem-Cell research" category, so I'll go start a topic about that right now; I'm a bit more opinionated on that subject.

Man, it's sad to think that some women actually have a kid, but then decide they don't want it so they kill it. *Sigh* It's called adoption morons, and it's free.

For me it really it depends on the time its done, if a woman is raped the first thing she should be doing is going to the hospital to get it taken care of, instead of waiting 6 months to have it aborted, 6 months of pregnancy is killing the child, just because its in the womb doesnt mean it doesnt feed, doesnt think and doesnt have life, why do you think babies come out crying? They just dont all of a sudden get life when they come out. You know the baby is alive when its kicking. If you want to rid of the baby, do it right away, dont wait till its alive, and if you can, set it up for adoption, let someone else have a chance at a child who cant have one.

I agree

No. Adoption is a horrible alternative if you want to abort.

Abortion = Stupid little hunk of flesh is gotten rid of. It feels nothing and does not care.
Adoption = A child is wondering all his life why his parents did not want him.

Abortion is infinitely better.



Yes it does. Check science.



Yes they do. If you need your mother to live (as in, you must LEECH off her) then you are not really alive. Nor are you sentient, and heck, babies are not sentient for several months after they are born.



Corpses can kick.

Electrical synapses does not equal life.



No. It is not alive, not strictly human living anyway, it is not sentient, and it is fine to get rid of it.

no -- i do not agree with abortion at all -- if you make the mistake of getting pregnant then thats your fault -- i dont care if you dont want the kid -- you can have the kid and put in for adoption -- abortion is wack and not useful

in the case of rape victims i feel that they should still have the baby -- and then put it for adoption -- you might have gotten raped but still its no reason to stop this soon to be baby from coming into this world.

so i think Against abortion

I'm all for abortion.
The more abortions women have the less kids I have to deal with. Dammit I hate kids.

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I think its up to the individual. If you want to have an abortion, go for it. And if you don't, fine. But I think there should always be the choice to have one.

It cant be needed.
My friend got raped and fell pregnant. She had to get an abortion. She is smart and beautiful, and has a life ahead of her. If she had the kid it would mess with her schooling and her life.

I am Pro-abortion

i am all for abortion, because if you fall pregnant and have to baby at a young age or at any other time when you can't look after a baby, you can't get a good job or education because of haveing to look after the baby. and puttin the baby up for abortion is just wrong because then it has to grow up in foster care ect and they would want to now about their parents.

With the exception of being raped, having sex on your own accord and getting pregnant is no excuse for a abortion, there are many methods to prevent it (Condoms, Douching, Birth Controll, o AND NOT HAVING SEX)



No, at a certain point Emrbyo's DO feel things, they hear there mothers and are alive, so yes, aborting a human being while its still in the mother can still hurt the child, especially when they have fully developed.



Ive checked on it, and medicine suggests the child is alive in the womb.


Several months? A newborn child would need the help of the mother for at least a couple years, and yes, babies are concious when they are born.




We are not talking about something that has passed away, corpses do not kick, its more of a twitch when they do it, and it doesnt last long, and not every corpse does that, every child in the womb kicks.

Under certain circumstances i don't think it's wrong.. like if a girl got raped and became pregnant.. then i think it'd be alright, otherwise it's wrongish i think.

I could rant for hours about this. Instead, I will bullet point my main opinions.

* IT IS WRONG.

* Every child, unborn or born, has the right to life. Just like everyone else.

* You are basically commiting murder by killing that unborn child.

* Did I mention IT'S WRONG.

* Don't want the kid? Don't have sex.
Okay, that's a bit extreme, I know. But you get the point, use a condom.

* A child is a gift and it is a privelidge to have one. It's also a privelidge you have no right to refuse.

*Try; IT'S WRONG.

* There are better ways to cope with the child, such as putting it up for adoption, rather than killing it.


The ONLY circumstance I will accept as a valid reason for killing an unborn child is this:

If the mother's life is at 100% risk, it is acceptable for her to have an abortion.
However, if there is a chance that both she and the baby will survive, I see no reason to have an abortion.



Yes, pretty strong views there, and some may think I'm a horrible bitch that doesn't care about the quality of life the mother would have and all that shit, but I could respond that you don't care about the quality of life the child is getting. I.e. None.

1 - look up the defignition of child.

2 - Why do clumps of cells have a right to life?



1 - Look up Murder. Look up child again while you are at it.



You did. You are just doing a bad job at telling us why.







Why is a child a gift? How is it a "privelidge" to have? Look up the word Privilege.



How is this true? You think a foetus is sad it dies? It is not. It knows nothing of life, it is not truly alive.

A kid whose parents left him however, knows much sorrow. So which of these is more humane? Try thinking this time.




No you can not, because it is not a child. Go look up the word child.

well, i think you should put up for adoption rather then abort, i mean, if we just had an abortion all the time instead of giving uo for adoption, alot of great people would be dead, although yeah, killing an unborn child IS NOT MURDER, its like killing abug, the bug does not no anything but instinct,.

Abortion is fine,
A human baby is less inteligent than a poney.
You can have a baby when ever you want.
But something bothers me about abortion. YOu know in china they can only have 1 child. And people when they know it's gonna be a girl, they usually decide to get an abortion or to abandon the child.

If you do not have capabilities to raise a child, abort it.

hey guys before you think abortion is right look at this:

If you knew a woman who had 2 deaf children, 2 blind children, 1 mentally retarded child, was pregnant, a widow, and had syphillis.. do you think she should get an abortion?

you just killed mozart.

aborting A LIFE may rid of a human being that will change the world

im catholic yo

i think that abortion is wrong. give the baby up for adoption so they have a chance to live because shouldnt they have the right to live.

I love abortion. I want one right now.

um... ok... Since your profile says male, I don't think that's possible.

I am for abortion. It's the womans body, and her decision. If I were to get pregnant, I would have an abortion [at this time in my life]. If I were to go through with the pregnancy, I would hav e to drop out of college, and quit my job. I think having an abortion of a little clump of cells is a better idea that changing my entire life just to give the baby away the moment that it is born.

Oh are you retarded.

This is not a valid argument. It is not logical, it proves nothing.



It is the woman's body, but we do not care about that. It is both the parents decision, because that potential life is both of yours. If the father wants it, let him have it. You just need to pay child support.

who is carrying the child? who gives birth?

and who is this 'we' that you refer to?

Who made it?



Do not know, I never used the word "we."

How pathetic,
The next mozart could be anyone, blind or not.
But mostly you can't know if a baby will by blind or not.

please explain

Oh, I see. That was an older post.

That is just my method of talking. The sentence means that anybody who logically thinks this through will not care about that. Because it does not matter.

If this is your so-called 'argument', you can also say that no abortions may lead to the next Adolf Hitler.
So that doesn't make ANY sense, sorry.

I think abortion should ONLY be allowed if its a danger to the mother, rape, or incest. BECAUSE.
1. i think there are way too many teenage sluts getting pregnant and not thinking twice about getting an abortion. people should accept the consequenses of whatever they decide to do.
2.ALSO, people are throwing the word abortion like its a fucking check up. except that, instead of checking your reflexes, the doctor shoves a clothes hanger up your cunt and pulls out a dead fetus. oh, that's totally moral.
3. despite the fact that, yeah yeah your baby could be the next hitler AND yeah yeah its just a fetus, it's still a baby. i don't think that sticking a hook through a living baby's head should be legal. be it in the womb or no.

unless, ofcourse, the 3 reasons i said before.

fin.

Nope, your are completely wrong.

im pro choice.

says the cretanous mall goth.

honestly......for me personally i wouldn't abort, only for the simple reason that a HUMAN BEING is growing inside of me.....i would NEVER want to kill a human being..EVER

HOWEVER

In saying this....it really is ultimately up to the parents.....more importantly the mother for she is the one carrying the infant in her uterus.....

so yea...thats my opinion

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i think that abortion should be allowed

why should a pregnant teen be forced to have a baby that she doesnt want? it will definately not be healthy for the baby, the mther would probably neglect it for school, and not take care of it properly.

personaly, if i were to get pregnant right now, i would get an abortion. i still have so much of my life ahead of me, and i know having a baby would ruin it.

im for killing the babys.

I agree. If a teen gets pregnant it can make them outcasted as a slut or a whore which makes them depressed *cut cut cut* The mother should have the right to an abortion as long as she doesn't kill a shitload of the little fuckers cuz she's too ignorant to use condoms.

1. please look up the fucking spelling of definition before you try and sound smart. those words over 4 letters can be real hard to spell, i know. ALSO: this whole thing is a matter of opinion. no-one is wrong or right, so you saying that "your are completely wrong" to me, in addition to making you look like a dumbass, was even more wrong than me stating my opinion. you can't post a topic like this and NOT expect someone to disagree with you.

and 2. i don't even understand your logic. yes, i can see that it's a medical procedure, but it also entails killing a baby. please give me an intelligent and decent explanation why sticking a wire through a living human fetus's head should be legal. in my opinion, this shouldn't even be an issue. if you're so afraid of living with the consequences of having sex and getting pregnant, put that sucker up for adoption. and stop being a slut. i think the law should be an ethical example for the citizens to live under. and killing babies is legal?...............................................k.

Oooh, bet you feel real tough now. Heck, I feel kind of bad. I usually never misspell anything. Ever.



Yes, some people are wrong or right. This "Matter of opinion" bullshit is just that. You are wrong, if your opinion is not backed up by anything at all, or is backed up by erroneous information.

People can disagree, but they better damn well have thought their position well enough to be able to stand fire. If I do not even have to think about it, and I manage to find holes everywhere, your opinion is wrong. You need to get a right one.




No it does not. Look up "Alive." Also look up "Baby." Notice how a Foetus is neither of those things.



Because it is not alive.



Why? So that way we have another unwanted child growing up without a family?



Too bad Ethics is something that has been thought about for millennia, and we have certainly not found the One Ethical Way.TM

So who's ethics do we go by? Yours? Yours are shitty.



Those dots are stupid. Much stupider than a typo on my part.

You can not kill what is not alive. And a foetus is not a baby.

I saw a whole bunch of guys standing by the hospital with signs that says "Abortion Kills" and then there was a guy with a sign that said "I disagree"

Plus abortion makes the dead babies jokes a reality

yes, i feel tough for pointing out your gramatical errors.

yes, it is a matter of opinion. READ THE SUBTITLE. YOUR OPINION. i'm giving mine. look up the definition of opinion. it isn't right or wrong. it's what you think. and not everyone thinks exactly like you do.

if the child gets adopted then it'll have a family.
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yes, my ethics are shitty because i don't believe in killing babies.

if you get an abortion early enough then technically you aren't killing the baby, but you're refusing it the right to life. which one is worse? so, by making abortion legal you're allowing this:



Partial birth abortion:

1) Guided by ultrasound, the abortionist grabs the baby's legs with forceps.

2) The baby's leg is pulled out into the birth canal.

3) The abortionist delivers the baby's entire body, except for the head

4) The abortionist jams scissors into the baby's skull. The scissors are then opened to enlarge the skull.

5) The scissors are removed and a suction catheter is inserted. The child's brains are sucked out, causing the skull to collapse. The dead baby is then removed.

Suction Aspiration Abortion
(the one you're talking about, where the baby hasn't been given a chance to live)

This is the most common method of abortion during the first 12 weeks of pregnancy. General or local anaesthesia is given to the mother and her cervix is quickly dilated. A suction curette (hollow tube with a knife-edged tip) is inserted into the womb. This instrument is then connected to a vacuum machine by a transparent tube. The vacuum suction, 29 times more powerful than a household vacuum cleaner, tears the fetus and placenta into small pieces which are sucked through the tube into a bottle and discarded.

Hysterotomy or Caesarean Section Abortion:

Used mainly in the last three months of pregnancy, the womb is entered by surgery through the wall of the abdomen. The technique is similar to a Caesarean delivery, except that the umbilical cord is usually cut while the baby is still in the womb, thus cutting off his oxygen supply and causing him to suffocate. Sometimes the baby is removed alive and simply left in a corner to die of neglect or exposure.

Salt Poisoning (Saline Injection):

Used after 16 weeks (four months) when enough fluid has accumulated. A long needle injects a strong salt solution through the mother's abdomen into the baby's sac. The baby swallows this fluid and is poisoned by it. It also acts as a corrosive, burning off the outer layer of skin. It normally takes somewhat over an hour for the baby to die from this. Within 24 hours, labor will usually set in and the mother will give birth to a dead or dying baby. (There have been many cases of these babies being born alive. They are usually left unattended to die. However, a few have survived and later been adopted.)


now tell me how abortion is ethical.

for some reason i agree with you...

It is "Grammatical." And it was a spelling error.



I just told somebody else to look up the definition of opinion. I think you should do the same, and realise that Ideas can be wrong!



If the child gets adopted. And even then, he could have problems because half his life nobody wanted him. Living the life of a foster child is very difficult.



Look up the fucking definition of Baby. You can not kill what is not alive.



Yep. You think you can shock me into agreeing with you? Pfft.

Refusal of right to life huh? Every time I jack off, I am refusing the right to life to thousands of little sperm cells. If you ever have a period, because you are not busy being impregnated, that purged Egg has been refused the right to life.

THIS is why you have shitty ethics. Your arguments are shitty.

If I got pregnant, I'd have an abortion faster than you can say "kill a baby."

And I would most certainly donate the aborted foetus to stem cell research. Therefore, I would be contributing to the potential for advancements in medicine.