I just have a few questions for all the muslims out there. Why is it that most muslims that I've met are never nice to me because I'm christian? Why is it that Allah seems to only like you if you're muslim? Take malcom X for example, he was assasinated by the very muslims he was once affiliated with. The way I see it if you don't believe in islam Allah hates you, and that just doesn't sound right to me. Although some christians are kinda mean if you don't believe what they believe, there are some of us who don't care what religion you believe in. So are some of the muslims friendly to non-muslims, or do they all want to leave the christians and the athiests to thier eternal suffering in hell...

That's weird, because I seem to find most Muslims are nice people, if you give them the respect they deserve. They don't want to be considered lesser because of their religion. I find most extreme Christians I talk to are assholes to everyone, saying if they don't accept Christ they'll die alone and go to hell, which (judging by your user name) is why they treat you like they do.

Maybe keep you beliefs to yourself, instead of pushing them on others, and it'll all be ok?

There are assholes in every religion. Islam has hateful douchebags just as Christianity does. Nothing is different. They think that they're right and everyone else is wrong. There are also accepting and nice people in every religion. It goes both ways. If you're not Muslim, Allah hates you. If you're not Christian, God hates you. Don't try to pretend that Christians are nicer than people from other religons, because they can go toe to toe with the rest of them when it comes to being an asshole.

I will try to help you with my brief Knowledge of islam

It is to my understanding that a large majority of middle eastern islamists hate the western world and what religion is most prominent in the western world? Christianity

A quite large majority of has turned to extremism to practice "pure islam" as originally practiced during the time of the Prophet muhammad

Some Islamists believe that the west is actually waging war on islam, and they refer back to the crusades and the long struggle between the two religions, which has inturn caused the jihad movement to fight the christians and jews alike.

Well, judging by your name, I suspect you probably tried to convert them. But let's assume you didn't.

I've met Muslim's, Jews, and Christians and on the whole, I've never been mistreated because I'm a Catholic. However, I've never said I was a Catholic in the Deep South, which I've heard is a hotbed of anti-Catholicism. But enough about me. Your second question dates back to the beliefs of Islam that the Torah and the Gospels were corrupted by the Jews and the Christians. This is a belief held mostly by conservative, far-right fundamentalist Muslims.
The Malcolm X comment makes no sense. He was still a Muslim when he was killed. He was no longer a member of Nation of Islam, the radical black Islamic group that killed him.

Most people don't wear their relgions out on their sleeves like you seem to be doing with your username. I don't know if you're the same way in real life (like wearing some kind of Bible Camp t-shirt everywhere you go) but usually people don't give a shit about other peoples' relgions.

Dude, read the first post better, didn't I say there are idiots in christianity already? So how is that pretending that we're genaraly nicer people? I didn't state that muslims were all mean people, I ASKED If they were all mean people, which means that I don't know. You seem to have left out that there are jerks in athiesm also.


Refering to your first sentence, no, I didn't try to convert them, I said hi. Just so everybody's clear on this *ehem* I'M NOT AN EXTREMIST! I really wish people would get over my username, It's just a name...

BAHAHAHAHA

Remind you of any other religions you know?

Yea well some musslims are nice, but the musslims that are killing everyone in Iraq seem think that god wants everyone except Musslims dead, so there trying to wipe out everyone exceopt musslims, which is what Hitler basically wanted, and we all know that this will not happen

Some people say that musilms seem mean because they are the only group that practices terrorism.KKK anyone?They can be considered terrorists.Terrere is latin for english and means to cause terror.That's what KKK does.And it's also a christian group.Our relgion techer showed us this picture where two men were carrying huge bags and walkig towards a bridge.There was things like crusades and the holocaust in the other guys bad in the other was jihads and terrorism.

Both religions have their sins and neither of them is better.
Most arabic people I know are very friendly.

Um, dude, the KKK may claim to be "Christian" but they definitely aren't. Just because some random, weird, evil group claims to be Christian doesn't mean they are.

They are christians,like it or not.



The blood represents the blood of Jesus Chrst,the blood of the dead Confederation soldiers,the blood of the innocent female victim of a crime and the blood of the white race.

Anyone can claim to be a Christian, but no one can really know if that person is truly a Christian. I would guess that most of the Klan members are not Christians, because Christianity is supposed to be loving to everyone, even the people that it doesn't agree with.

What about a person that claims he is the son of God?
And Christianity loves everyone? Except the people who aren't Christian! And don't read the Bible then, because there are a lot of groups of people that you aren't allowed to love then...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=G5-wgtoqFrk

All this thread needed was this video and then it could be immediately closed.

You're using inductive reasoning to come to the conclusion that all Muslims are assholes. If they didn't know you weren't Muslim, why do you think you were snubbed because of your relgion?


You picked the name of an extremist. If I were to pick the name "IBurnNiggerHouses" I wouldn't be surprised if people started assuming that I was a white supremacist.


They're Christians. They're just Christian American nationalists like the Neo-Nazis. They're tied to protestantism and hate other Christian denominations such as Catholics. They need a nice big black pope's circumcised cock.


Oh, fuck yourself. Knock off the whole 'high and mighty-anybody who has faith in God is a moron-rebelling against my parents' horseshit. I'm a secular Catholic and you're giving the wrong impression of atheists.

I don't think it's because you're christian.

Maybe this is a little bit off topic but oh well..

Muslims are mixing their culture with their religion. It really bothers me. I know I'm not one to talk but I am sick of all the ignorance people have about Islam. It is such a good religion but many people associate bad things with it that have absolutely nothing to do with it. Even though people should know better, it would help if people didn't do crazy things in the name of Islam.
And don't get me wrong, I'm a Christian and I know Christians are just as bad as anyone if not worse when it comes to doing things in the name of religion.

Just stating the stupidity of religion here
I think it's extremely retarted to make war and fight over some religious differences. People actually kill each other because they don't believe in the same imaginary friend...

Exactly. But I don't think it's really the Muslims mixing culture with religion as much of it being the extremists doing that. I don't truly believe the terrorists that "claim" to be Muslim really Muslim at all, because Islam is suppose to be a religion of peace.

I have a friend who has a dumb grandmother. I remember watching the news at her house, and supposedly there was another terrorist suicide bombing in the Middle East that we were hearing from on the news, and my friend's grandma's said "Muslims...they think that somehow killing themselves is a way into heaven!" and I was immediately offended because I am Muslim and like the bible states killing yourself is a sin in Islam. People are just so ignorant.

It's not just their ignorance, but the way they interpretate Qur'an and they're using this wrong interpretation of their holy book as an excuse for killing etc.

Do I have to list off the crimes of every other religion?

What an asshole. This is what happens when uneducated people argue religion - his first statement was VERY telling. "Watch the news" he says. Fucking moron.

Um, yeah, that video was stupid. The host - Neal Whatshisface - basically just interrupted the guy at every point, made fun of him, mocked everything about him, and didn't raise any good points.

As has been said, all religions have had bad stuff occur within their realms...

Whoever stared this topic is either ignorant or made a mistake in the title. Yes, Muslims some Muslims hate Jews and Christians. But at least one part of every one religion hates one or all other religions. But I like to focus on the others, the ones that don’t hate or discriminate. But really why religious hate is because they all believe in these dogmatic ides (that they are right and all others are wrong and because of that there superior).

The real problem is that most religious belief systems regard themselves (of course) as "truth" - absolute truth. Therefore anyone who doesn't believe it is wrong, they're a liar, they're stupid, etc etc.

If religions could accept what they really are: beliefs, then we wouldn't have so many problems. Because "belief" isn't "truth" and it's dangerous to get them confused.

Then what is truth? Obviously you have to believe in something in order to believe it is true. You cannot know that something is true and not believe it is true.

I mean, honestly, that doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Obviously anyone could be wrong about what they think the truth is, but they still believe that things are true and things are not. The question then becomes who's beliefs are the most accurate to reality and the workings of the world.

I suppose what I'm asking is how can we know truth if not through what we believe?

Well, this is exactly the debate we were having for a term and a half in school. "What is truth?"
They were using the age-old example of the grass being green to most people, but to a colourblind person, the "truth" is that it's brown.



Anyway, the "truth" debate does make sense in the case of religion. You're allowed to believe that your religion is truth, is gospel, or whatever. But how can you put SO much faith in a religion that so openly contradicts itself? Religion, in my honest opinion, is the biggest joke of human history.

Religion may be the biggest joke in the world, but faith placed in the right place is the opposite. While people are allowed to put their faith in whatever they want to (i.e. God, Allah, Buddah, The Flying Spaghetti Monster, science, etc.), it doesn't really matter - what matters is which one of those things actually has the ability to hold up. Faith is only as good as what it is founded in.

In other words, I can take it on faith that the ice on the lake is thick enough for me to walk on, but if I fall through the ice, what does it say about my faith?

Pretty much my view of Christianity.

But I have to apologise, I'm not really in the mood for debating it right now.
I have a motherload of stress that is slowly eating me alive.

Fair enough, everyone is entitled to their own view, and I really don't think less of anyone for what they believe, even if I disagree with them. I hope you get less stressed soon - stress sucks.

as a Muslim, I couldn't agree with you more. its a sad sad word. i have a lot of friends who had bad impressions of muslims because of one douchebag who might have shown them attitude. unfortunately i dont think thats' going to go away anytime soon. there will always be extremists in every religion

He's a stupid libertarian, fuck him. Libertarians have proven time and time again that they like to not take the blame for the workings of the Republican party, yet support the party's policies because they value money over social liberalism.

Because your muslim friends are stupid. Im a muslim , and i like christian or jew people or atheists. Its not true that Allah hates you if you dont believe in islam. There are some muslim people who doesnt like Christians,especially in very islamic countries (like Afghanistan,Iraq,Arabia ). But i know that some Christian people doesnt like muslims too, just because of their religions.

God loves everyone, religion is not that important because Christianity or Judaism are a religion of God too, and the main idea of these holy books are same too.
who the hell cares people's beliefs,personality is more important than religion.
People have to respect each other's beliefs.

Islam assigns Jews and Christians the status of 'People of the Book' on the basis of their monotheism, and their beliefs about God and the rest of the world. This status is based on several passages from the Qur'an that say how Christians, Jews, and Muslims share common scripture, morals, and prophets. Muslims believe that the 'People of the Book,' if they submit to being second class citizens, should be allowed to live in peace.

One verse of the Qur'an says "God forbids you not, with regards to those who fight you not for (your) faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them; for God loveth those who are just." (Qur'an, 60:, which is interpreted as a clear admonition not to be disrespectful or unkind to non-Muslims. According to a hadith, Muhammad said to his people "The one who murders a dhimmi(non-Muslim under protection of the state) will not smell the fragrance of Paradise, even if its smell was forty years travelling distance" (Sahih Ahmed). Where 'People of the Book' live in an Islamic nation under Sharia law, they become dhimmis. If they agree to paying a special tax called jizyah, they are given a number of rights, such as the right to freely practice their faith, be fully protected by government, and other necessities and luxuries. In an Islamic state, the giving of charity is mandatory by law for Muslims. The jizyah tax money goes to charity, as well as the construction of churches and synagogues for non-Muslims living in the state. As a benefit, non-Muslims are exempted from any draft for the state.

There are separate articles on the relationship between Islam and Judaism and the Judeo-Islamic tradition. A separate article, The Bible in Islam discusses the way that Muslims have traditionally understood the Bible. There are also articles on Islam and anti-Semitism and Projects working for peace among Israelis and Arabs.

i think that islam is just like every other religion. there are a lot of terrorists who claim to be fighting for their religion which is islam. but the religion itself does not encourage violence.

i think that those who claim to be jihadists (muslims who do good for their religion, i can't remember the definition) by bombing places took the meaning of jihad in the wrong way too seriously. this misinterpretion has lead to the loss of many lives.

i have many muslim friends and they are absolutely against terrorism. through them, i have learned that not all muslims are supporting what these "jihadists" are doing. only a small amount of twisted minded people support them and we somehow got the impression that all muslims are like that/the same. it is not true.

islam is a somewhat peaceful religion.

that's what i think.

True jihad is the jihad within yourself.
Sleeper Cell is EPIC.

And they shouldn't call them selves jihadists.The good ol' jihads were great.But there's no room for crusades or jihads in the modern world.

Religion of peace, my ass.... xD

You're and idiot.





















xD

That's Neal Boortz. He's a closet racist as well as a dumbass. This is the same guy the blamed the victims of the Virgina Tech shootings for their own murders-http://youtube.com/watch?v=YGFVCgI15_Y

i agree with the both of you. the modern day "jihadist" in my opinion are just a bunch of terrorists that uses islam as an excuse. i mean what good can you get from bombing places and such??????????

Apparently you're both idiots.
*kicks out of topic*

i forgot to mention self suicide by bombing (it's a sin to kill yourself! what's the point of doing "jihad" then????)

Well it can be argued then that any soldier that goes to fight in a war he will surely die in is suiciding.

In exremists' eyes, suicide bombing is the ultimate proof of faith or something.

Either that or I think in some cases they are willing to go to "Hell" for the cause because their families are reimbursed.

Because in Islam there is no greater glory than dying for jihad. Jihad is usually misinterpreted as "holy war" but it really means defending Islam from those who want to destroy it.

First of all, let me say that I am Muslim, just to clear things up. I'm not going to say one religion is better than the other, but I will say that people, of any religion, who use their religion as an excuse to exercise their terrorism do nothing but bring a bad name to the religion they are "representing". Believe it or not, Islam is a peaceful religion--we're not supposed to start fights unless it's absolutely necessary, and we're supposed to be kind to people, no matter their religion. It's another story that a lot of people don't do this, but on the other hand, many people do. You'll find extremists going crazy in every religion. You shouldn't judge that religion based on those people. Secondly, I don't know about Christianity, but in Islam, we believe--or we're supposed to, rather--that God loves everyone of every race and religion. You'll find jerks everywhere; you shouldn't blame their religion for it. Thanks for reading; I just wanted to clear things up.

Well, that sounds all great and whatnot. I agree that there are extremists in every religion that give a bad name to their religion, but I have to ask some questions about the whole "peaceful" religion thing. I mean, isn't jihad supported in the Koran? Isn't killing infidels supposed to go on all the time, not just when "absolutely necessary"?

I'm not hating you, I'm just asking questions about your beliefs. Then again, I kind of am skeptical of Islam in the first place considering Muhammad "re-interpreted" what God had told him like five times to cover for his misdeeds and whatnot...

so what was the crusades then? Or the children's crusade. That was when the higher ups had the genius idea that god wouldn't let children be killed in battle so christians rounded up a bunch of kids and sent them off to battle. The majority of them were sold into slavery on the way though. Those blokes were christian long before you were so how can you claim to know what makes a christian or not? For gods sake the man who decided what books were going to be in the bible was orginally a pagan.

Christians hate people who aren't christian too. Just because recently a bunch of hippies started spreading around that jesus loves everybody instead of the old school you go to hell if you sin doesn't make it the right christianity. Its just people don't like to be scared into believing anymore and would rather they be told they go to heaven/ get forty virgins.

Wow, wow, wow. Some Christians hate people who aren't Christian, but that isn't a Christian belief. It's just the fact that Christians are people to. Christians don't (or shouldn't) claim to be perfect. Hate happens to Christians and non-Christians alike. It's wrong, but it happens. As for everything else you said, maybe you should go read some early Church history and/or the Bible.

The New Testament is clear that killing people because of their religious beliefs is wrong. The Crusades were wrong. Those people may or may not have been Christians, but they were definitely sinning in what they did.

And how do I know what a Christian is? I've looked at the Bible. I've read it. Studied it. Whatever. I mean, you don't have to be a Christian to know what being a Christian entails. It's spelled out in the New Testament.

Once again, just because some idiot people called themselves Christians back in the past and killed a bunch of people doesn't mean that true Christianity is false. Please.

i've read the bible too. The thing is the old christians didn't just rely on the new tesament, they read the old one too. Besides your reading a translated version. The orginal bible was put together by a pagan king who changed things around so his people would have an easier time adapting to it. You trust him more than muhammed?

Um, I just recently studied a timeline of the Bible and its various translations, and there has been almost no loss from the original texts to the texts we have now. I mean, we have the Greek manuscripts and we can compare them to the manuscripts we have today, so we can tell if some corrupt king (I suppose you're referring to James) messed them up...

And yeah, Muhammad changed the Koran every time he wanted to absolve the fornication and other sins he committed.