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fredman555
***NOTE** If you think this is "too-long" and dont feel like reading, dont post something like "i cant read that! LOL". seriously, i dont care


Meet the women who won't have babies - because they're not eco friendly

[spoiler]
Had Toni Vernelli gone ahead with her pregnancy ten years ago, she would know at first hand what it is like to cradle her own baby, to have a pair of innocent eyes gazing up at her with unconditional love, to feel a little hand slipping into hers - and a voice calling her Mummy.

But the very thought makes her shudder with horror.

Because when Toni terminated her pregnancy, she did so in the firm belief she was helping to save the planet.

Incredibly, so determined was she that the terrible "mistake" of pregnancy should never happen again, that she begged the doctor who performed the abortion to sterilise her at the same time.

He refused, but Toni - who works for an environmental charity - "relentlessly hunted down a doctor who would perform the irreversible surgery.

Finally, eight years ago, Toni got her way.

At the age of 27 this young woman at the height of her reproductive years was sterilised to "protect the planet".

Incredibly, instead of mourning the loss of a family that never was, her boyfriend (now husband) presented her with a congratulations card.

While some might think it strange to celebrate the reversal of nature and denial of motherhood, Toni relishes her decision with an almost religious zeal.

"Having children is selfish. It's all about maintaining your genetic line at the expense of the planet," says Toni, 35.

"Every person who is born uses more food, more water, more land, more fossil fuels, more trees and produces more rubbish, more pollution, more greenhouse gases, and adds to the problem of over-population."

While most parents view their children as the ultimate miracle of nature, Toni seems to see them as a sinister threat to the future.

It's an extreme stance which one might imagine is born from an unhappy childhood or an upbringing among parents who share similar, strong beliefs.


But nothing in Toni's safe, middle- class upbringing gave any clues as to the views which would shape her adult life. The eldest of three daughters, she enjoyed a loving, close-knit family life.

She excelled at her Roman Catholic school, and her doting parents fully expected her to grow up, settle down and start a family of her own.

"When I finished school, I got a job in retail and at 19, I met my first husband," says Toni.

"No sooner had we finished our wedding cake than all our relatives started to ask when they could expect a new addition to the family.

"I always told them that would never happen, but no one listened.


"When I was a child, I loved bird-watching, and in my teens that developed into a passion for the environment as well as the welfare of animals - I became a vegetarian when I was 15.

"Even my parents used to smile and say: 'You'll change your mind one day about babies.'

"The only person who understood how I felt was my first husband, who didn't want children either.


"We both passionately wanted to save the planet - not produce a new life which would only add to the problem."


So, instead of mapping out plans for a family, Toni and her husband began discussing medical options to ensure they would never reproduce.


Toni, from Taunton, Somerset, says: "When I was 21, I considered sterilisation for the first time.

"I'd been on the Pill for five years and didn't want to take hormone-based contraception indefinitely.

"I went to my GP, but she wouldn't even consider the idea.

"She said I was far too young and told me I could 'absolutely not' be sterilised, and that I was bound to change my mind one day.

"I found her attitude frustrating.


"We decided my husband would have a vasectomy instead. He was 25, just a few years older than me, but the GP allowed him to go ahead.


"I found it insulting that she thought that, just because I was a woman, I'd reach a point where an urge to breed would overcome all rational thought."

When Toni was 23, her marriage ended. She says: "We married very young and grew apart."

Toni found herself young, single and with a new life in London, working for an environmental charity.

But while other young women dream of marriage and babies, Toni was convinced it was her duty not to have a child.


She claims she was far from alone.

"Through my job I made many friends who, like me, were more interested in campaigning, trying to change society and save the planet rather than having families of our own.

"We used to say that if ever we did want children, we'd adopt, as there are so many children in need of a loving family.

"At least then, we'd be doing something positive for the world, rather than something negative."

Toni was happy, at last, with fellow environmentalists who shared her philosophy. But when she was 25, disaster struck.

"I discovered that despite taking the Pill, I'd accidentally fallen pregnant by my boyfriend.

"I was horrified. I knew straight away there was no option of having the baby.

"I went to my doctor about having a termination, and asked if I could be sterilised at the same time.


"This time it was a male doctor. I remember saying to him: 'I want to make sure this never happens again.'

"He said: 'You may not want a child, but one day you may meet a man who does'. He refused to consider it.

"I didn't like having a termination, but it would have been immoral to give birth to a child that I felt strongly would only be a burden to the world.

"I've never felt a twinge of guilt about what I did, and have honestly never wondered what might have been.


"After my abortion, I was more determined than ever to pursue sterilisation.

"By then, I had my mother's support - she realised I wasn't going to grow out of my beliefs, and was proud of my campaigning work."

At the age of 27, Toni moved to Brighton, where her dream of medical intervention was realised.

Toni says: "My new GP was more forward-thinking and referred me to hospital. I couldn't wait for the operation."

As Toni awaited the surgery which would destroy her fertility, she met her future husband, Ed, 38, an IT consultant.


"A week before my sterilisation, I went to an animal rights demonstration and met Ed.

"I liked him immediately, and I told him what I was doing straight away - because if he wanted children then he needed to know I wasn't the woman for him," she says.

"But Ed was relieved when I told him how I felt and said he didn't want children for the same reasons."

On the morning of surgery, Ed gave Toni a card saying "Congratulations".

Toni says: "After the operation, which is irreversible, I didn't feel emotional - just relieved.

"I've never doubted that I made the right decision. Ed and I married in September 2002, and have a much nicer lifestyle as a result of not having children.

"We love walking and hiking, and we often go away for weekends.

"Every year, we also take a nice holiday - we've just come back from South Africa.

"We feel we can have one long-haul flight a year, as we are vegan and childless, thereby greatly reducing our carbon footprint and combating over-population.

"My only frustration is that other people are unable to accept my decision.

"When I tell people why I don't want children, they look at me as if I was planning to commit murder.

"A woman who does not have maternal-feelings is seen as some sort of anomaly.

"And a woman like me, who is not having children in order to save the planet, is considered barking mad.

"What I consider mad are those women who ferry their children short distances in gas-guzzling cars."

But Toni is far from alone.

When Sarah Irving, 31, was a teenager she sat down and wrote a wish-list for the future.

Most young girls dream of marriage and babies. But Sarah dreamed of helping the environment - and as she agonised over the perils of climate change, the loss of animal species and destruction of wilderness, she came to the extraordinary decision never to have a child.

"I realised then that a baby would pollute the planet - and that never having a child was the most environmentally friendly thing I could do."

Sarah's boyfriends have been less understanding than Toni's, with the breakdown of several relationships.


"I've had boyfriends who wanted children, so I knew I couldn't be with them long term,' says Sarah.


"I've had to break up with a couple of boyfriends because I didn't think it was fair to waste their time.

"In my early 20s I had a boyfriend who I really liked, but he wanted to start a family as soon as possible.

"I was tempted to stay with him and hope he would change his mind, but I knew I couldn't provide him with what he wanted so I walked away."

Sarah started work for the Ethical Consumer magazine, and seven years ago she met her fiancÈ Mark Hudson, a 37-year- old health- care worker.

When they started dating in 2003, they immediately discussed their views on children.

"To my relief, Mark was as adamant as me that he didn't want a family. After a year of dating, we started talking about sterilisation," says Sarah.

"I didn't want to have an 'accident' if contraception didn't work - we would be faced with the dilemma of whether to keep the baby."

While other young couples sit down and discuss mortgages, Sarah and Mark discussed the medical options for one or the other to be sterilised.

"We realised it was a much more straightforward procedure, safer and easier, for a man to be sterilised through a vasectomy than a woman to be sterilised," says Sarah.

"In January 2005, Mark had a vasectomy and we both felt incredibly relieved there was no chance of us having a baby."

Ironically, the couple who have decided to deny themselves children for the sake of the planet, actively enjoy the company of young children.

Sarah says: "We both have nieces who we love dearly and I consider myself a caring, nurturing person.

"My sister recently had a little girl, and that has taken the pressure off me because my parents wanted to be grandparents.

"At first, they were surprised by my decision, but they have never criticised us.

"I'd never dream of preaching to others about having a family. It's a very personal choice. What I do like to do is make people aware of the facts.

"When I see a mother with a large family, I don't resent her, but I do hope she's thought through the implications."

Mark adds: "Sarah and I live as green a life a possible. We don't have a car, cycle everywhere instead, and we never fly.

"We recycle, use low-energy light bulbs and eat only organic, locally produced food.

"In short, we do everything we can to reduce our carbon footprint. But all this would be undone if we had a child.

"That's why I had a vasectomy. It would be morally wrong for me to add to climate change and the destruction of Earth.

"Sarah and I don't need children to feel complete. What makes us happy is knowing that we are doing our bit to save our precious planet."[/spoiler]

My question is .... If they really believe what they say, why don't they kill themselves to save the planet? If you don't want kids, then fine. If you're going to have an abortion, then whatever. Don't try to pretend that it's for some greater good when really it's not doing anything though. You may have killed the baby that would have grown up to discover the greatest alternative power source known to man. You may have killed a future world leader that would have lead mankind in the right direction. It's just a roll of the dice.

If they want to be that self-righteous, then they should stop using any resources right now.


EDIT- heres her picture!
IPB Image

EDIT 2- Dont make this into another abortion thread
Devine8039
I learned about this last year in AP Enviro. Too many people on the planet, if less people are made the less of a carbon footprint the human population will make on the earth.
mmf180
^ Good point from both of you. But I don't like abortion.
Gerian
QUOTE(fredman555 @ Nov. 25, 2007. 04:56 AM) [snapback]688225[/snapback]
[spoiler]
***NOTE** If you think this is "too-long" and dont feel like reading, dont post something like "i cant read that! LOL". seriously, i dont care


Meet the women who won't have babies - because they're not eco friendly

Had Toni Vernelli gone ahead with her pregnancy ten years ago, she would know at first hand what it is like to cradle her own baby, to have a pair of innocent eyes gazing up at her with unconditional love, to feel a little hand slipping into hers - and a voice calling her Mummy.

But the very thought makes her shudder with horror.

Because when Toni terminated her pregnancy, she did so in the firm belief she was helping to save the planet.

Incredibly, so determined was she that the terrible "mistake" of pregnancy should never happen again, that she begged the doctor who performed the abortion to sterilise her at the same time.

He refused, but Toni - who works for an environmental charity - "relentlessly hunted down a doctor who would perform the irreversible surgery.

Finally, eight years ago, Toni got her way.

At the age of 27 this young woman at the height of her reproductive years was sterilised to "protect the planet".

Incredibly, instead of mourning the loss of a family that never was, her boyfriend (now husband) presented her with a congratulations card.

While some might think it strange to celebrate the reversal of nature and denial of motherhood, Toni relishes her decision with an almost religious zeal.

"Having children is selfish. It's all about maintaining your genetic line at the expense of the planet," says Toni, 35.

"Every person who is born uses more food, more water, more land, more fossil fuels, more trees and produces more rubbish, more pollution, more greenhouse gases, and adds to the problem of over-population."

While most parents view their children as the ultimate miracle of nature, Toni seems to see them as a sinister threat to the future.

It's an extreme stance which one might imagine is born from an unhappy childhood or an upbringing among parents who share similar, strong beliefs.


But nothing in Toni's safe, middle- class upbringing gave any clues as to the views which would shape her adult life. The eldest of three daughters, she enjoyed a loving, close-knit family life.

She excelled at her Roman Catholic school, and her doting parents fully expected her to grow up, settle down and start a family of her own.

"When I finished school, I got a job in retail and at 19, I met my first husband," says Toni.

"No sooner had we finished our wedding cake than all our relatives started to ask when they could expect a new addition to the family.

"I always told them that would never happen, but no one listened.


"When I was a child, I loved bird-watching, and in my teens that developed into a passion for the environment as well as the welfare of animals - I became a vegetarian when I was 15.

"Even my parents used to smile and say: 'You'll change your mind one day about babies.'

"The only person who understood how I felt was my first husband, who didn't want children either.


"We both passionately wanted to save the planet - not produce a new life which would only add to the problem."


So, instead of mapping out plans for a family, Toni and her husband began discussing medical options to ensure they would never reproduce.


Toni, from Taunton, Somerset, says: "When I was 21, I considered sterilisation for the first time.

"I'd been on the Pill for five years and didn't want to take hormone-based contraception indefinitely.

"I went to my GP, but she wouldn't even consider the idea.

"She said I was far too young and told me I could 'absolutely not' be sterilised, and that I was bound to change my mind one day.

"I found her attitude frustrating.


"We decided my husband would have a vasectomy instead. He was 25, just a few years older than me, but the GP allowed him to go ahead.


"I found it insulting that she thought that, just because I was a woman, I'd reach a point where an urge to breed would overcome all rational thought."

When Toni was 23, her marriage ended. She says: "We married very young and grew apart."

Toni found herself young, single and with a new life in London, working for an environmental charity.

But while other young women dream of marriage and babies, Toni was convinced it was her duty not to have a child.


She claims she was far from alone.

"Through my job I made many friends who, like me, were more interested in campaigning, trying to change society and save the planet rather than having families of our own.

"We used to say that if ever we did want children, we'd adopt, as there are so many children in need of a loving family.

"At least then, we'd be doing something positive for the world, rather than something negative."

Toni was happy, at last, with fellow environmentalists who shared her philosophy. But when she was 25, disaster struck.

"I discovered that despite taking the Pill, I'd accidentally fallen pregnant by my boyfriend.

"I was horrified. I knew straight away there was no option of having the baby.

"I went to my doctor about having a termination, and asked if I could be sterilised at the same time.


"This time it was a male doctor. I remember saying to him: 'I want to make sure this never happens again.'

"He said: 'You may not want a child, but one day you may meet a man who does'. He refused to consider it.

"I didn't like having a termination, but it would have been immoral to give birth to a child that I felt strongly would only be a burden to the world.

"I've never felt a twinge of guilt about what I did, and have honestly never wondered what might have been.


"After my abortion, I was more determined than ever to pursue sterilisation.

"By then, I had my mother's support - she realised I wasn't going to grow out of my beliefs, and was proud of my campaigning work."

At the age of 27, Toni moved to Brighton, where her dream of medical intervention was realised.

Toni says: "My new GP was more forward-thinking and referred me to hospital. I couldn't wait for the operation."

As Toni awaited the surgery which would destroy her fertility, she met her future husband, Ed, 38, an IT consultant.


"A week before my sterilisation, I went to an animal rights demonstration and met Ed.

"I liked him immediately, and I told him what I was doing straight away - because if he wanted children then he needed to know I wasn't the woman for him," she says.

"But Ed was relieved when I told him how I felt and said he didn't want children for the same reasons."

On the morning of surgery, Ed gave Toni a card saying "Congratulations".

Toni says: "After the operation, which is irreversible, I didn't feel emotional - just relieved.

"I've never doubted that I made the right decision. Ed and I married in September 2002, and have a much nicer lifestyle as a result of not having children.

"We love walking and hiking, and we often go away for weekends.

"Every year, we also take a nice holiday - we've just come back from South Africa.

"We feel we can have one long-haul flight a year, as we are vegan and childless, thereby greatly reducing our carbon footprint and combating over-population.

"My only frustration is that other people are unable to accept my decision.

"When I tell people why I don't want children, they look at me as if I was planning to commit murder.

"A woman who does not have maternal-feelings is seen as some sort of anomaly.

"And a woman like me, who is not having children in order to save the planet, is considered barking mad.

"What I consider mad are those women who ferry their children short distances in gas-guzzling cars."

But Toni is far from alone.

When Sarah Irving, 31, was a teenager she sat down and wrote a wish-list for the future.

Most young girls dream of marriage and babies. But Sarah dreamed of helping the environment - and as she agonised over the perils of climate change, the loss of animal species and destruction of wilderness, she came to the extraordinary decision never to have a child.

"I realised then that a baby would pollute the planet - and that never having a child was the most environmentally friendly thing I could do."

Sarah's boyfriends have been less understanding than Toni's, with the breakdown of several relationships.


"I've had boyfriends who wanted children, so I knew I couldn't be with them long term,' says Sarah.


"I've had to break up with a couple of boyfriends because I didn't think it was fair to waste their time.

"In my early 20s I had a boyfriend who I really liked, but he wanted to start a family as soon as possible.

"I was tempted to stay with him and hope he would change his mind, but I knew I couldn't provide him with what he wanted so I walked away."

Sarah started work for the Ethical Consumer magazine, and seven years ago she met her fiancÈ Mark Hudson, a 37-year- old health- care worker.

When they started dating in 2003, they immediately discussed their views on children.

"To my relief, Mark was as adamant as me that he didn't want a family. After a year of dating, we started talking about sterilisation," says Sarah.

"I didn't want to have an 'accident' if contraception didn't work - we would be faced with the dilemma of whether to keep the baby."

While other young couples sit down and discuss mortgages, Sarah and Mark discussed the medical options for one or the other to be sterilised.

"We realised it was a much more straightforward procedure, safer and easier, for a man to be sterilised through a vasectomy than a woman to be sterilised," says Sarah.

"In January 2005, Mark had a vasectomy and we both felt incredibly relieved there was no chance of us having a baby."

Ironically, the couple who have decided to deny themselves children for the sake of the planet, actively enjoy the company of young children.

Sarah says: "We both have nieces who we love dearly and I consider myself a caring, nurturing person.

"My sister recently had a little girl, and that has taken the pressure off me because my parents wanted to be grandparents.

"At first, they were surprised by my decision, but they have never criticised us.

"I'd never dream of preaching to others about having a family. It's a very personal choice. What I do like to do is make people aware of the facts.

"When I see a mother with a large family, I don't resent her, but I do hope she's thought through the implications."

Mark adds: "Sarah and I live as green a life a possible. We don't have a car, cycle everywhere instead, and we never fly.

"We recycle, use low-energy light bulbs and eat only organic, locally produced food.

"In short, we do everything we can to reduce our carbon footprint. But all this would be undone if we had a child.

"That's why I had a vasectomy. It would be morally wrong for me to add to climate change and the destruction of Earth.

"Sarah and I don't need children to feel complete. What makes us happy is knowing that we are doing our bit to save our precious planet."

My question is .... If they really believe what they say, why don't they kill themselves to save the planet? If you don't want kids, then fine. If you're going to have an abortion, then whatever. Don't try to pretend that it's for some greater good when really it's not doing anything though. You may have killed the baby that would have grown up to discover the greatest alternative power source known to man. You may have killed a future world leader that would have lead mankind in the right direction. It's just a roll of the dice.
If they want to be that self-righteous, then they should stop using any resources right now.[/spoiler]
Exactly what I thought, why don't they kill themselves. And they can't be cremated because then CO2 will destroy the earth.
They're a bit right though. If less people would have children, there would be less Greenhouse gasses.
Devine8039
Don't abort, just use protection, get your self fixed if you care that much.
boston3767
Global Warming is the white man's fault. We brothers did absolutely nothing to cause it.
iluvian<3
That's so messed up! If no one has babies anymore, how are we going to re-populate the Earth? If the babies leave carbon footprints...that's obviously how nature intended it to be! Having children was natural...last time I checked...
mikeshox
That's too long, I can't read that!
fckbees
oh god. just what we need. a thread full of 'OMGZ ABORTION IS BAD' replies.
fredman555
QUOTE(fckbees @ Nov. 24, 2007. 09:35 PM) [snapback]688305[/snapback]

oh god. just what we need. a thread full of 'OMGZ ABORTION IS BAD' replies.

good call.
DONT MAKE THIS AN ANTI/PRO ABORTION THREAD
who_T-T
wth having babies isn't eco friendly...thats just stupid
LauraMay
i don't beleive in abortions. i mean imagine the little helpless baby growing inside, then being sucked out limb by limb, its murder.
i just had a baby boy 2 weeks ago even though i'm only 17, i havn't finished school, and i'm single. when i got pregnant my boyfriend at the time told me to choose between him and the baby. he was so unreasonable. how could he want to get rid of something he'd help make? i think having my baby is the best thing thats ever happened to me. i've always said if i got pregnant young i'd have an abortion. i'd always drempt about falling in love with the man of my dreams, traveling around the world, buying a house to settle down and raise a family of my own. but it doesn't always work out the way you planned.
i'm glad i kept my baby. i know some people don't have the money or time to raise a baby, but there are people out there in the world who are unable to have children and would adopt. if you cant look out for the child somebody else could.
before deciding to abort, think it over, because later on in life you may not be able to experience the miricle of having a child. one day it may be too late.
SixBreaker
This reminds me of Robert Swift's "Indecent Proposal".
poketron
so, if it is for the future, who will we be protecting the world from, if everyone is getting abortions?
SixBreaker
Okay, so I'm dumb,

Jonathan Swift's "A Modest Proposal".

Sorry.
LauraMay
Indecent Proposal? what? i don't understand?
Gripster2000
QUOTE(LauraMay @ Jan. 19, 2008. 11:56 PM) [snapback]767112[/snapback]

i don't beleive in abortions. i mean imagine the little helpless baby growing inside, then being sucked out limb by limb, its murder.
i just had a baby boy 2 weeks ago even though i'm only 17, i havn't finished school, and i'm single. when i got pregnant my boyfriend at the time told me to choose between him and the baby. he was so unreasonable. how could he want to get rid of something he'd help make? i think having my baby is the best thing thats ever happened to me. i've always said if i got pregnant young i'd have an abortion. i'd always drempt about falling in love with the man of my dreams, traveling around the world, buying a house to settle down and raise a family of my own. but it doesn't always work out the way you planned.
i'm glad i kept my baby. i know some people don't have the money or time to raise a baby, but there are people out there in the world who are unable to have children and would adopt. if you cant look out for the child somebody else could.
before deciding to abort, think it over, because later on in life you may not be able to experience the miricle of having a child. one day it may be too late.


Or, you could go buy a box of condoms and you wouldn't have to fuck up your life and education, or have an abortion!

IPB Image

As for these people, I'm glad they aren't reproducing. they should abort themselves.
boobookittyf*ck
QUOTE(LauraMay @ Jan. 20, 2008. 05:56 PM) [snapback]767112[/snapback]

i don't beleive in abortions. i mean imagine the little helpless baby growing inside, then being sucked out limb by limb, its murder.
i just had a baby boy 2 weeks ago even though i'm only 17, i havn't finished school, and i'm single. when i got pregnant my boyfriend at the time told me to choose between him and the baby. he was so unreasonable. how could he want to get rid of something he'd help make? i think having my baby is the best thing thats ever happened to me. i've always said if i got pregnant young i'd have an abortion. i'd always drempt about falling in love with the man of my dreams, traveling around the world, buying a house to settle down and raise a family of my own. but it doesn't always work out the way you planned.
i'm glad i kept my baby. i know some people don't have the money or time to raise a baby, but there are people out there in the world who are unable to have children and would adopt. if you cant look out for the child somebody else could.
before deciding to abort, think it over, because later on in life you may not be able to experience the miricle of having a child. one day it may be too late.

That's great, but totally off topic.

I came to the same conclusion as these women long ago, but I'm not going to abort a baby if I get pregnant.
Gripster2000
I think I'm going to start charging five bucks to just drop-kick pregnant chicks in the belly. It's much cheaper.
Gerian
QUOTE(boston3767 @ Nov. 25, 2007. 05:18 AM) [snapback]688266[/snapback]
Global Warming is the white man's fault. We brothers did absolutely nothing to cause it.
Ofcourse not. Because you don't eat, breathe and move, RIGHT?!
QUOTE(who_T-T @ Nov. 25, 2007. 05:53 PM) [snapback]688949[/snapback]
wth having babies isn't eco friendly...thats just stupid
Yeah it's stupid. Because babies don't use O² and make CO² of it. Babies don't eat or drink. So the world won't breed more cows, wich together already fart 7.8 billion liters of methane gas a day. Babies don't fart. Babies don't shit in diapers wich have to be produced in a factory wich is probably polluting the air. When the parents buy the diaper, they won't use a car wich produces carbon emisions (like CO and CO²). ET CETERA.
I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU.

Guys, if you have an opinion, at least explain it.
QUOTE(Gripster2000 @ Jan. 20, 2008. 11:10 AM) [snapback]767136[/snapback]
I think I'm going to start charging five bucks to just drop-kick pregnant chicks in the belly. It's much cheaper.
See? He explained why.
This made me laugh.
SixBreaker
QUOTE(LauraMay @ Jan. 20, 2008. 03:06 AM) [snapback]767127[/snapback]

Indecent Proposal? what? i don't understand?

Jonathan Swift wrote a book called "A Modest Proposal" it reminds me of this.
alissa
You know, if their parents had thought the same thing, they wouldn't be alive right now, preaching about how harmful babies are.
Dom_the_demon
Ha ha ha , makes sence , less babies= less people to pollute.
alissa
QUOTE(Dom_the_demon @ Jan. 20, 2008. 01:05 PM) [snapback]767448[/snapback]

Ha ha ha , makes sence , less babies= less people to pollute.

And like someone said earlier, less people to help save the planet.
What if all the stupid people are the ones who decide to make babies?
Then we end up with stupid children who will do nothing to help the earth.

Maybe they should put a limit on children or something, like in The Giver.
No more than [insert number here] children per family.
Gara Of The Funk
DUBYA TEE EFF MATES!?!??~?
Dom_the_demon
QUOTE(alissa @ Jan. 20, 2008. 06:11 PM) [snapback]767454[/snapback]

QUOTE(Dom_the_demon @ Jan. 20, 2008. 01:05 PM) [snapback]767448[/snapback]

Ha ha ha , makes sense , less babies= less people to pollute.

And like someone said earlier, less people to help save the planet.
What if all the stupid people are the ones who decide to make babies?
Then we end up with stupid children who will do nothing to help the earth.

Maybe they should put a limit on children or something, like in The Giver.
No more than [insert number here] children per family.



Is that not happening in china currently?
biglia
QUOTE(Dom_the_demon @ Jan. 20, 2008. 07:21 PM) [snapback]767464[/snapback]

QUOTE(alissa @ Jan. 20, 2008. 06:11 PM) [snapback]767454[/snapback]

QUOTE(Dom_the_demon @ Jan. 20, 2008. 01:05 PM) [snapback]767448[/snapback]

Ha ha ha , makes sense , less babies= less people to pollute.

And like someone said earlier, less people to help save the planet.
What if all the stupid people are the ones who decide to make babies?
Then we end up with stupid children who will do nothing to help the earth.

Maybe they should put a limit on children or something, like in The Giver.
No more than [insert number here] children per family.



Is that not happening in china currently?


yes u can have like 1child in china or something like that
alissa
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QUOTE(alissa @ Jan. 20, 2008. 06:11 PM) [snapback]767454[/snapback]

QUOTE(Dom_the_demon @ Jan. 20, 2008. 01:05 PM) [snapback]767448[/snapback]

Ha ha ha , makes sense , less babies= less people to pollute.

And like someone said earlier, less people to help save the planet.
What if all the stupid people are the ones who decide to make babies?
Then we end up with stupid children who will do nothing to help the earth.

Maybe they should put a limit on children or something, like in The Giver.
No more than [insert number here] children per family.



Is that not happening in china currently?


yes u can have like 1child in china or something like that

I'm not saying it has to be one child.
I just think those 15 member families are a little excessive.
Dom_the_demon
Ha ha people with like 10 children , I get what your getting at now , Dumb people tend to have more dumb children.
venus flytrap!
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QUOTE(LauraMay @ Jan. 19, 2008. 11:56 PM) [snapback]767112[/snapback]

i don't beleive in abortions. i mean imagine the little helpless baby growing inside, then being sucked out limb by limb, its murder.
i just had a baby boy 2 weeks ago even though i'm only 17, i havn't finished school, and i'm single. when i got pregnant my boyfriend at the time told me to choose between him and the baby. he was so unreasonable. how could he want to get rid of something he'd help make? i think having my baby is the best thing thats ever happened to me. i've always said if i got pregnant young i'd have an abortion. i'd always drempt about falling in love with the man of my dreams, traveling around the world, buying a house to settle down and raise a family of my own. but it doesn't always work out the way you planned.
i'm glad i kept my baby. i know some people don't have the money or time to raise a baby, but there are people out there in the world who are unable to have children and would adopt. if you cant look out for the child somebody else could.
before deciding to abort, think it over, because later on in life you may not be able to experience the miricle of having a child. one day it may be too late.

Or, you could go buy a box of condoms and you wouldn't have to fuck up your life and education, or have an abortion!

Gripster's is the easiest solution ever, yet far too many kids seem too slow to pick up on it.

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I think I'm going to start charging five bucks to just drop-kick pregnant chicks in the belly. It's much cheaper.

That probably shouldn't have made me laugh, but it did.

QUOTE(alissa @ Jan. 20, 2008. 10:32 AM) [snapback]767471[/snapback]

I'm not saying it has to be one child.
I just think those 15 member families are a little excessive.

There are some hardcore Roman Catholics, for example, who follow the Pope's belief that contraception is against the will of God. So they don't use any protection at all, and they wind up with a million kids. There are other examples, obviously, but that sticks out in my mind because my English teacher from high school once told us about her friend (who came from those kinds of families with that mindset) who had - I kid you not - around 20 kids. No twins or anything, single births.

As for this story, it's strange but they have a point. But at the same time, they could just avoid intercourse altogether to make sure that they absolutely don't get pregnant (assuming no doctor wants to 'sterilize' them). I think they've proven they're willing to go to any lengths to help 'save the planet.'
XxXStJimmyXxX
This is freaking reatarted no offence but if we did that there would be no need to save the planet beacuse eventually there would be nobody .
venus flytrap!
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This is freaking reatarted no offence but if we did that there would be no need to save the planet beacuse eventually there would be nobody .
If everyone did it, then yes, it would be that way. But of course not everyone will.
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I'd never dream of preaching to others about having a family. It's a very personal choice. What I do like to do is make people aware of the facts.
It seemed like the second lady wasn't as 'extreme' in a way, because she acknowledged that she's quite good with her sister's kids.
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We used to say that if ever we did want children, we'd adopt, as there are so many children in need of a loving family.
That's a good point that the first woman made.
LauraMay
Thats not funny...
Evan the Amazing
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QUOTE(Dom_the_demon @ Jan. 20, 2008. 01:05 PM) [snapback]767448[/snapback]

Ha ha ha , makes sence , less babies= less people to pollute.

And like someone said earlier, less people to help save the planet.
What if all the stupid people are the ones who decide to make babies?
Then we end up with stupid children who will do nothing to help the earth.

Maybe they should put a limit on children or something, like in The Giver.
No more than [insert number here] children per family.


No way man that would fuckin SUUUUCK.
In 50 years, they'd all have to pay taxes to put all our old asses in old people homes, and the young people to old people ratio would be fucked. Our economy would blow a big steamy load all over itself and we'd have another Depression.

But I think their logic is... illogical. Compared to the 400,000 babies born per day, their one little tike wouldn't make much of a difference. Actually it wouldn't make any difference.

Look at global warming like a river. Build a dam and the water stops, right? In this case, building a dam would be killing everyone on earth. But you throw a pebble in there, it won't make a difference. In this case, the pebble is the baby's life.
donkeypunch
haha global warming propaganda...such b.s
Evan the Amazing
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haha global warming propaganda...such b.s


Fuckin A

Seriously, you can't use that excuse without eveyone in the world thinking "Wow, what a cock rag douche"
boobookittyf*ck
For the record, they would be better off adopting.
They're not putting MORE children on the earth, they're looking after the ones that are already here and giving them a life.
greendayguitarb
get the fuck out thats not even funny you ass
Evan the Amazing
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get the fuck out thats not even funny you ass



uhmm who the fuck are you talking to?
alissa
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QUOTE(Dom_the_demon @ Jan. 20, 2008. 01:05 PM) [snapback]767448[/snapback]

Ha ha ha , makes sence , less babies= less people to pollute.

And like someone said earlier, less people to help save the planet.
What if all the stupid people are the ones who decide to make babies?
Then we end up with stupid children who will do nothing to help the earth.

Maybe they should put a limit on children or something, like in The Giver.
No more than [insert number here] children per family.

No way man that would fuckin SUUUUCK.
In 50 years, they'd all have to pay taxes to put all our old asses in old people homes, and the young people to old people ratio would be fucked. Our economy would blow a big steamy load all over itself and we'd have another Depression.

But I think their logic is... illogical. Compared to the 400,000 babies born per day, their one little tike wouldn't make much of a difference. Actually it wouldn't make any difference.

Look at global warming like a river. Build a dam and the water stops, right? In this case, building a dam would be killing everyone on earth. But you throw a pebble in there, it won't make a difference. In this case, the pebble is the baby's life.
You made some great points there.
I didn't even think about that, at all.
But it's happening, anyways. We're slowly changing, whether we know it or not.
There are less and less families of 10, and more and more families of 5.
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