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schyler nicole
Until New Year's Day, not even her first name was known. Ashley was a faceless case study, cited in a paper by two doctors at Seattle Children's Hospital as they outlined a treatment so radical that it brought with it allegations of "eugenics", of creating a 21st-century Frankenstein's monster, of maiming a child for the sake of convenience.

Her name is Ashley X, and she is the little girl who will never grow up.

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The reason for the controversy is this: Three years ago, when Ashley began to display early signs of puberty, her parents instructed doctors to remove her uterus, appendix and still-forming breasts, then treat her with high doses of estrogen to stunt her growth.

In other words, Ashley was sterilized and frozen in time, for ever to remain a child. She was only 6 years old.

Ashley, the daughter of two professionals in the Seattle area, never had much hope of a normal life

Afflicted with a severe brain impairment known as static encephalopathy, she cannot walk, talk, keep her head up in bed, or even swallow food. Her parents argued that "keeping her small" was the best way to improve the quality of her life, not to make life more convenient for them.

By remaining a child, they say, Ashley will have a better chance of avoiding everything from bed sores to pneumonia — and the removal of her uterus means that she will never have a menstrual cycle or risk developing uterine cancer.

Because Ashley was expected to have a large chest size, her parents say that removing her breast buds, including the milk glands (while keeping the nipples intact), will save her further discomfort while avoiding fibrocystic growth and breast cancer.

They also feared that large breasts could put Ashley at risk of sexual assault.

The case was approved by the hospital's ethics committee in 2004, which agreed that because Ashley could never reproduce voluntarily, she was not being subjected to forced sterilization, a form of racial cleansing promoted in the 1920s and known as eugenics (it was satirized in F. Scott Fitzgerald's novel "The Great Gatsby").

However, the case of Ashley X was not made public, and, as a result, no legal challenges were ever made.

Ashley's doctors, Daniel Gunther and Douglas Diekema, wrote in their paper for the October issue of the Archives of Pediatrics and Adolescent Medicine that the treatment would "remove one of the major obstacles to family care and might extend the time that parents with the ability, resources and inclination to care for their child at home might be able to do so."

The paper inspired hundreds of postings on the Internet: many supportive, some disapproving but sympathetic, others furious.

"I find this offensive if not perverse," read one. "Truly a milestone in our convenience-minded society."

It was the critical comments that finally provoked Ashley's father to respond.

While remaining anonymous, he posted a remarkable 9,000-word blog entry at 11 p.m. on New Year's Day, justifying his decision.

The posting includes links to photographs of Ashley, in which the faces of other family members, including Ashley's younger sister and brother, have been blanked out.

"Some question how God might view this treatment," he wrote. "The God we know wants Ashley to have a good quality of life and wants her parents to be diligent about using every resource at their disposal (including the brains that He endowed them with) to maximize her quality of life."

Ashley's father went on to describe how her height is now expected to remain at about 4 feet 5 inches, and her weight at 75 pounds.

Without the treatment, she would have grown into a woman of average height and weight, probably about 5 feet 6 inches and 125 pounds, with a normal lifespan.

The medical profession is divided.

"I think most people, when they hear of this, would say this is just plain wrong," wrote Jeffrey Brosco of the University of Miami, in an editorial. "But it is a complicated story ... you can understand the difficulties. [But] high-dose estrogen therapy to prevent out-of-home placement simply creates a new Sophie's Choice for parents to confront.

"If we as a society want to revise the nature of the harrowing predicament that these parents face, then more funds for home-based services, not more medication, is what is called for."

George Dvorsky, a director of the Institute for Ethics and Emerging Technologies, countered: "If the concern has something to do with the girl's dignity being violated, then I have to protest by arguing that the girl lacks the cognitive capacity to experience any sense of indignity.

"The estrogen treatment is not what is grotesque here. Rather, it is the prospect of having a full-grown and fertile woman endowed with the mind of a baby."


The doctor that performed surgery on Ashley eventually commited suicide after intense critisism, and guilt.

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EDIT AGAIN: READ THIS TOO:
Ashley's Story
[Spoiler]
Our daughter Ashley had a normal birth, but her mental and motor faculties did not develop. Over the years, neurologists, geneticists, and other specialists conducted every known traditional and experimental test, but still could not determine a diagnosis or a cause. Doctor’s call her condition “static encephalopathy of unknown etiology”, which means an insult to the brain of unknown origin or cause, and one that will not improve.

Now nine years old, Ashley cannot keep her head up, roll or change her sleeping position, hold a toy, or sit up by herself, let alone walk or talk. She is tube fed and depends on her caregivers in every way. We call her our Pillow Angel since she is so sweet and stays right where we place her—usually on a pillow.

Ashley is a beautiful girl whose body is developing normally with no external deformities; see photos. She is expected to live a full life and was expected to attain a normal adult height and weight. Ashley being in a stable condition is a blessing because many kids with similarly severe disabilities tend to deteriorate and not survive beyond five years of age.

Ashley is alert and aware of her environment; she startles easily. She constantly moves her arms and kicks her legs. Sometimes she seems to be watching TV intently. She loves music and often gets in celebration mode of vocalizing, kicking, and choreographing/conducting with her hands when she really likes a song (Andrea Boccelli is her favorite – we call him her boyfriend). She rarely makes eye-contact even when it is clear that she is aware of a person’s presence next to her. Ashley goes to school in a classroom for special needs children, which provides her with daily bus trips, activities customized for her, and a high level of attention by her teachers and therapists.

Ashley brings a lot of love to our family and is a bonding factor in our relationship; we can’t imagine life without her. She has a sweet demeanor and often smiles and expresses delight when we visit with her, we think she recognizes us but can’t be sure. She has a younger healthy sister and brother. We constantly feel the desire to visit her room (her favorite place with special lights and colorful displays) or have her with us wanting to be in her aura of positive energy. We’re often gathered around her holding her hand, thus sensing a powerful connection with her pure, innocent and angelic spirit. As often as we can we give her position changes and back rubs, sweet talk her, move her to social and engaging places, and manage her entertainment setting (music or TV). In return she inspires abundant love in our hearts, so effortlessly; she is such a blessing in our life!

To express how intensely we feel about providing Ashley with the best care possible, we would like to quote from a private email that we received from a loving mother with her own 6 year old Pillow Angel: “In my mind, I have to be immortal because I have to always be here on Earth to take care of my precious child. Taking care of him is difficult, but it is never a burden. I am [his] eyes, ears and voice. He is my best friend, and I have dedicated my life to providing joy and comfort to him. To my last breath, everything I will ever do will be for him or because of him. I cannot adequately put into words the amount of love and devotion I have for my child. I am sure that you feel the same way about Ashley.”

The chance of Ashley having significant improvement, such as being able to change her position in bed, let alone walk, is non-existent. She has been at the same level of cognitive, mental and physical developmental ability since about three months of age. Ashley has aged and grown in size but her mental and physical abilities have remained and will remain those of an infant.

Faced with Ashley’s medical reality, as her deeply loving parents, we worked with her doctors to do all we could to provide Ashley with the best possible quality of life. The result is the “Ashley Treatment.” [/spoiler]

THEMCMAN
lol
notsoconventional
thats insane.
poor girl.
DespisedIcon
What the fuck is wrong with people.
Give Up The Ghost
i want pics of this 6year old freak!
greenr2r
Holy fuck.

That's weird.
Must suck, too.
THEMCMAN
QUOTE(Give Up The Ghost @ Jan. 15, 2008. 07:09 PM) [snapback]761645[/snapback]

i want pics of this 6year old freak!

Pics on blog, they made me lol.
DespisedIcon
QUOTE(THEMCMAN @ Jan. 15, 2008. 08:10 PM) [snapback]761648[/snapback]

QUOTE(Give Up The Ghost @ Jan. 15, 2008. 07:09 PM) [snapback]761645[/snapback]

i want pics of this 6year old freak!

Pics on blog, they made me lol.

Why? It's not like she's horribly disfigured or anything.
D Mac
wtf
THEMCMAN
QUOTE(DespisedIcon @ Jan. 15, 2008. 07:11 PM) [snapback]761649[/snapback]

QUOTE(THEMCMAN @ Jan. 15, 2008. 08:10 PM) [snapback]761648[/snapback]

QUOTE(Give Up The Ghost @ Jan. 15, 2008. 07:09 PM) [snapback]761645[/snapback]

i want pics of this 6year old freak!

Pics on blog, they made me lol.

Why? It's not like she's horribly disfigured or anything.

I was kidding.
sophiebro71
Thats...
Thats weird.

Why would you ever do that to someone.
PinkPirate
who wants to sum that story up for me in one sentence?
DespisedIcon
Girl's parents remove her tits and vagina so she won't physically mature, now her brain is fucked, growth is stunted, and life is shortened.
schyler nicole
QUOTE(PinkPirate @ Jan. 15, 2008. 07:22 PM) [snapback]761670[/snapback]
who wants to sum that story up for me in one sentence?
6 year old girl is has a disease to where she can't walk, talk, or swallow food so the parents make it to where she won't have breasts/puberty, and she will remain child like for the rest of her life.
Give Up The Ghost
QUOTE(THEMCMAN @ Jan. 16, 2008. 01:10 AM) [snapback]761648[/snapback]

QUOTE(Give Up The Ghost @ Jan. 15, 2008. 07:09 PM) [snapback]761645[/snapback]

i want pics of this 6year old freak!

Pics on blog, they made me lol.

Nudes? I need some new CP. Melaines pics got old.
THEMCMAN
QUOTE(Give Up The Ghost @ Jan. 15, 2008. 07:25 PM) [snapback]761677[/snapback]

QUOTE(THEMCMAN @ Jan. 16, 2008. 01:10 AM) [snapback]761648[/snapback]

QUOTE(Give Up The Ghost @ Jan. 15, 2008. 07:09 PM) [snapback]761645[/snapback]

i want pics of this 6year old freak!

Pics on blog, they made me lol.

Nudes? I need some new CP. Melaines pics got old.

Shit, I wish.
Give Up The Ghost
QUOTE(THEMCMAN @ Jan. 16, 2008. 01:26 AM) [snapback]761680[/snapback]

QUOTE(Give Up The Ghost @ Jan. 15, 2008. 07:25 PM) [snapback]761677[/snapback]

QUOTE(THEMCMAN @ Jan. 16, 2008. 01:10 AM) [snapback]761648[/snapback]

QUOTE(Give Up The Ghost @ Jan. 15, 2008. 07:09 PM) [snapback]761645[/snapback]

i want pics of this 6year old freak!

Pics on blog, they made me lol.

Nudes? I need some new CP. Melaines pics got old.

Shit, I wish.

rules #34 on this chick plx.
Jessifishcrakers
wow wtf. thats really messed up... i wonder if she could masterbate
Da Pig
Ashley X is a bad ass name.
THEMCMAN
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QUOTE(THEMCMAN @ Jan. 16, 2008. 01:26 AM) [snapback]761680[/snapback]

QUOTE(Give Up The Ghost @ Jan. 15, 2008. 07:25 PM) [snapback]761677[/snapback]

QUOTE(THEMCMAN @ Jan. 16, 2008. 01:10 AM) [snapback]761648[/snapback]

QUOTE(Give Up The Ghost @ Jan. 15, 2008. 07:09 PM) [snapback]761645[/snapback]

i want pics of this 6year old freak!

Pics on blog, they made me lol.

Nudes? I need some new CP. Melaines pics got old.

Shit, I wish.

rules #34 on this chick plx.

a man can wish
schyler nicole
/Spam

Stay on topic please.
Give Up The Ghost
QUOTE(THEMCMAN @ Jan. 16, 2008. 01:33 AM) [snapback]761692[/snapback]

QUOTE(Give Up The Ghost @ Jan. 15, 2008. 07:27 PM) [snapback]761683[/snapback]

QUOTE(THEMCMAN @ Jan. 16, 2008. 01:26 AM) [snapback]761680[/snapback]

QUOTE(Give Up The Ghost @ Jan. 15, 2008. 07:25 PM) [snapback]761677[/snapback]

QUOTE(THEMCMAN @ Jan. 16, 2008. 01:10 AM) [snapback]761648[/snapback]

QUOTE(Give Up The Ghost @ Jan. 15, 2008. 07:09 PM) [snapback]761645[/snapback]

i want pics of this 6year old freak!

Pics on blog, they made me lol.

Nudes? I need some new CP. Melaines pics got old.

Shit, I wish.

rules #34 on this chick plx.

a man can wish

I dont wish, i /r/.
I shall have nudes within the hour.
Da Pig
QUOTE(schyler nicole @ Jan. 15, 2008. 05:34 PM) [snapback]761695[/snapback]

/Spam

Stay on topic please.
It is on topic.
THEMCMAN
QUOTE(Give Up The Ghost @ Jan. 15, 2008. 07:34 PM) [snapback]761696[/snapback]

QUOTE(THEMCMAN @ Jan. 16, 2008. 01:33 AM) [snapback]761692[/snapback]

QUOTE(Give Up The Ghost @ Jan. 15, 2008. 07:27 PM) [snapback]761683[/snapback]

QUOTE(THEMCMAN @ Jan. 16, 2008. 01:26 AM) [snapback]761680[/snapback]

QUOTE(Give Up The Ghost @ Jan. 15, 2008. 07:25 PM) [snapback]761677[/snapback]

QUOTE(THEMCMAN @ Jan. 16, 2008. 01:10 AM) [snapback]761648[/snapback]

QUOTE(Give Up The Ghost @ Jan. 15, 2008. 07:09 PM) [snapback]761645[/snapback]

i want pics of this 6year old freak!

Pics on blog, they made me lol.

Nudes? I need some new CP. Melaines pics got old.

Shit, I wish.

rules #34 on this chick plx.

a man can wish

I dont wish, i /r/.
I shall have nudes within the hour.

do eet!

/boner
PinkPirate
QUOTE(DespisedIcon @ Jan. 16, 2008. 02:23 AM) [snapback]761674[/snapback]

Girl's parents remove her tits and vagina so she won't physically mature, now her brain is fucked, growth is stunted, and life is shortened.

lol.
SixBreaker
This might cause an onslaught of arguments, but I find what the parents did really smart. I might have missed something but as far as I read, the girl was born with the brain disorders. The parents saved her from a life of ridicule and other difficulties. It may suck to be her but look at what she would be instead, all of the same things but made fun of. If it were me in the same situation I'd pretty much ask for all of that to be done to me. Most of the changes didn't matter anyways and essentially saved her a lot of happiness.
venus flytrap!
That's just shitty.

AND

QUOTE(Da Pig @ Jan. 15, 2008. 05:33 PM) [snapback]761691[/snapback]

Ashley X is a bad ass name.

nba185
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They also feared that large breasts could put Ashley at risk of sexual assault.



I LOL'ed at this.
poor girl.
VideoImage
thats so sad
nba185
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Ashley X is a bad ass name.


agreed.

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thats so sad

shitty parents
SixBreaker
QUOTE(nba185 @ Jan. 16, 2008. 09:31 PM) [snapback]763053[/snapback]


shitty parents

Try the complete opposite.
fredman555
QUOTE(SixBreaker @ Jan. 15, 2008. 10:52 PM) [snapback]761971[/snapback]

This might cause an onslaught of arguments, but I find what the parents did really smart. I might have missed something but as far as I read, the girl was born with the brain disorders. The parents saved her from a life of ridicule and other difficulties. It may suck to be her but look at what she would be instead, all of the same things but made fun of. If it were me in the same situation I'd pretty much ask for all of that to be done to me. Most of the changes didn't matter anyways and essentially saved her a lot of happiness.

you mean, now since she doesnt have a uterus, will not have breasts or grow, her life will be perfect and NO ONE will make fun of her?

GENIUS!
Future.
I can only feel pity for the poor child.
KelsiiHustle;;
=[
boobookittyf*ck
Aww, that poor girl.

I'm going to read the crazy-ass blog, and then write a response properly.
SixBreaker
QUOTE(fredman555 @ Jan. 16, 2008. 09:57 PM) [snapback]763097[/snapback]

QUOTE(SixBreaker @ Jan. 15, 2008. 10:52 PM) [snapback]761971[/snapback]

This might cause an onslaught of arguments, but I find what the parents did really smart. I might have missed something but as far as I read, the girl was born with the brain disorders. The parents saved her from a life of ridicule and other difficulties. It may suck to be her but look at what she would be instead, all of the same things but made fun of. If it were me in the same situation I'd pretty much ask for all of that to be done to me. Most of the changes didn't matter anyways and essentially saved her a lot of happiness.

you mean, now since she doesnt have a uterus, will not have breasts or grow, her life will be perfect and NO ONE will make fun of her?

GENIUS!

So, put in the situation you'd rather grow huge boobs, raising the chances of getting raped, seeing that you can't defend yourself, go through menstruation, even though, once again, you can't do anything about it, and grow like a woman with the inside traits of a child?

She'll be made fun of either way, this way her parents made it so she could lead the easiest possible lifestyle.
boobookittyf*ck
QUOTE(SixBreaker @ Jan. 16, 2008. 01:52 PM) [snapback]761971[/snapback]

This might cause an onslaught of arguments, but I find what the parents did really smart. I might have missed something but as far as I read, the girl was born with the brain disorders. The parents saved her from a life of ridicule and other difficulties. It may suck to be her but look at what she would be instead, all of the same things but made fun of. If it were me in the same situation I'd pretty much ask for all of that to be done to me. Most of the changes didn't matter anyways and essentially saved her a lot of happiness.

Yeah, now that I've read more I agree. The initial article makes it sound like what they did was cruel, but from what I've read so far, it seems they were actually doing the right thing. She would be a child in her mind forever, so all she would be as an adult is a "retard" who can't live by herself, go shopping, or do anything to care for herself. She doesn't have the mental capacity to defend herself in any sort of situation, and she's less likely to be attacked as a child. I think it's kind of beautiful that she'll get to be a little girl forever, because that's what she is in her mind.


QUOTE(SixBreaker @ Jan. 17, 2008. 01:26 PM) [snapback]763125[/snapback]

She'll be made fun of either way, this way her parents made it so she could lead the easiest possible lifestyle.



Yes, people really should read more about this before forming an opinion. The article sucks.
SixBreaker
THANK YOU
boobookittyf*ck
It's actually kinda pissing me off that the article is worded like that.
Because when I read it, it sounded like it was a really horrible thing to do, but I actually would have done the same thing in their position.
OhHowClichexx
so, shes the female version of peter pan?

ill read the whole article tomorrow.
boobookittyf*ck
QUOTE(OhHowClichexx @ Jan. 17, 2008. 02:40 PM) [snapback]763235[/snapback]

so, shes the female version of peter pan?

Hahaha, I guess so.
vanitykills
i agree with sixbreaker and booboo.
i went to the website and read some other stuff, and it really seems that it was in her best interest for this to be done, and that the parents made the right decision.
SixBreaker
Thank you # 2
The ignorance level of this thread is slowly waning.
boobookittyf*ck
QUOTE(SixBreaker @ Jan. 17, 2008. 03:25 PM) [snapback]763293[/snapback]

Thank you # 2
The ignorance level of this thread is slowly waning.

<3

I liked this.

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We were overjoyed to learn about the "Ashley Treatment," or growth attenuation. The hope that our child might not be an infant trapped inside an adult's body -- that her physical self could be in sync with her cognitive self -- is indescribable. A billion dollars could not bring as much happiness to our child in goods and services as being small and cuddled like the baby she believes she is. Attenuating her growth would not violate the Hippocratic Oath; to the contrary, NOT attenuating her growth would knowingly cause her increasing distress and unhappiness as her "activities" became limited per her size ("activities" including cuddling and holding and carrying, given her immobility), not to mention the increasing chance of injury to her during care and transfers. Like some children with brain damage, her head is infant-sized and will never grow. While we don't care if society is uncomfortable seeing an adult with an infant-sized head, we do care that her tiny nasal passages already labor to provide enough oxygen to a child. And what about her infant-sized feet that do not grow with the rest of her, how will they support an adult body? Given the stature of other family members, she may very well be six feet tall in adulthood.

The arguments that parents will stunt their children's growth willy-nilly are exaggerated and ignorant. Before our child's growth might ever be attenuated we will have to convince an ethics panel of dozens of medical professionals, who will be looking for every reason why not. There will not be growth-stunting clinics on every street corner. The arguments that we should let nature take its course, that we shouldn't fix the child to compensate for society's shortcomings, or that we shouldn't take any measures for "convenience" are hypocritical. Babies are created and selected by fertilization, birth dates planned, induced, born by C-section, fed formula, and scheduled for convenience. As they grow older, their short stature is enhanced, tonsils are removed, and plastic surgery performed to correct anything nature didn't do right or to be more acceptable to society. Not that doing any of those things is wrong, but anyone who has had a medical procedure (born at a hospital? been to the dentist?), taken medication (or given their child a little something to sleep or control hyperactivity), or conformed to society (why not just change society overnight?), should not point fingers at someone else who has. But no matter how utopian our society, our daughter would still be happier child-sized so that she can be close to us, as I imagine Ashley will be.

As many others have stated and learned in their own journeys, no one is in a position to judge or make ethical calls unless they are those caregivers themselves. It has been particularly disturbing to read judgmental comments by professional ethicists and doctors -- none of whom know Ashley or her family -- whose titles and opinions will weigh heavily with the general public. Due to our daughter we have been privileged to meet innumerable children and their families with every condition imaginable and unimaginable, and though we might have chosen a different path than they, we must respect their choice and give them encouragement. We have not lived their lives, and cannot possibly understand the lifetime of experiences behind their decisions. To not support them, first of all, would not be compassionate; secondly, it would be like shooting ourselves in the foot. The world will never be in complete agreement with our decisions for our child, but we hope our compassion and courtesy are reciprocated.

Thank you to Ashley's family for voluntarily subjecting themselves to worldwide public scrutiny. They have given us hope that our child may be happy and healthy in life, and that's what every parent wants."


I KNOW, TK. tl;dr.

QUOTE(D Mac @ Jan. 16, 2008. 11:13 AM) [snapback]761652[/snapback]

wtf

Thanks for your intellectual response to this thread.

QUOTE(Jessifishcrakers @ Jan. 16, 2008. 11:28 AM) [snapback]761684[/snapback]

wow wtf. thats really messed up... i wonder if she could masterbate

Why the fuck would you wonder something like that, you freak?
Anyway, she's mentally and physically retarded; nothing would motivate her to try.
degrassi44
wow, thats really sad.
fredman555
QUOTE(SixBreaker @ Jan. 16, 2008. 10:26 PM) [snapback]763125[/snapback]

So, put in the situation you'd rather grow huge boobs, raising the chances of getting raped, seeing that you can't defend yourself, go through menstruation, even though, once again, you can't do anything about it, and grow like a woman with the inside traits of a child?

I dont see HOW she could be raped. she cant take care of herself so she is going to be with someone all the time. Besides, who would want to rape a mentally retarded kid?

Menstruation is natural, its not going to kill her so hats the harm of letting it happen?
audra
QUOTE(fredman555 @ Jan. 17, 2008. 08:00 AM) [snapback]763496[/snapback]

QUOTE(SixBreaker @ Jan. 16, 2008. 10:26 PM) [snapback]763125[/snapback]

So, put in the situation you'd rather grow huge boobs, raising the chances of getting raped, seeing that you can't defend yourself, go through menstruation, even though, once again, you can't do anything about it, and grow like a woman with the inside traits of a child?

I dont see HOW she could be raped. she cant take care of herself so she is going to be with someone all the time. Besides, who would want to rape a mentally retarded kid?

Menstruation is natural, its not going to kill her so hats the harm of letting it happen?


i agree with the above. reading the article i was thinking "who the hell is going to rape her?" she's only around family and friends ALL the time. her parents have to take care of her constantly. so unless her family has plans of raping her, the whole rape situation is not plausible. besides, what they're really concerned about is that she could get pregnant. they don't want a little "freak" retarded baby getting preggers do they? especially if it's by her father, then you'll really have problems. if they didn't want her to grow they could have just done an operation to damage her growth plates to stop her from growing anymore.

the operation they did will in the end shorten her life... and by their terms of thinking, she could still get ovarian cancer. the whole cancer argument is a joke btw. she won't live long enough for that shit. really in the end the parents just wrote a whole list of things trying to convince themselves that what they did was right for their daughter to curb their guilt on wanting to make their life a little more convenient. I'm just sad that the doctor who agreed to do the operation killed himself. that adds to the numbers of lives this family has ruined. if they really wanted to better everyone's life they should have just had an abortion when they found out she was going to be retarded.
gina
that is so sad sad.gif
boobookittyf*ck
QUOTE(fredman555 @ Jan. 17, 2008. 11:00 PM) [snapback]763496[/snapback]

QUOTE(SixBreaker @ Jan. 16, 2008. 10:26 PM) [snapback]763125[/snapback]

So, put in the situation you'd rather grow huge boobs, raising the chances of getting raped, seeing that you can't defend yourself, go through menstruation, even though, once again, you can't do anything about it, and grow like a woman with the inside traits of a child?

I dont see HOW she could be raped. she cant take care of herself so she is going to be with someone all the time. Besides, who would want to rape a mentally retarded kid?

Menstruation is natural, its not going to kill her so hats the harm of letting it happen?

She can't move. She can't tell her parents if she's in pain or where she's in pain. They would have to clean up everything because she's unable to. Seriously people READ THE WEBSITE before you make assumptions.

QUOTE(audra @ Jan. 17, 2008. 11:52 PM) [snapback]763510[/snapback]

reading the article i was thinking "who the hell is going to rape her?" she's only around family and friends ALL the time. her parents have to take care of her constantly. so unless her family has plans of raping her, the whole rape situation is not plausible. besides, what they're really concerned about is that she could get pregnant. they don't want a little "freak" retarded baby getting preggers do they? especially if it's by her father, then you'll really have problems. if they didn't want her to grow they could have just done an operation to damage her growth plates to stop her from growing anymore.

the operation they did will in the end shorten her life... and by their terms of thinking, she could still get ovarian cancer. the whole cancer argument is a joke btw. she won't live long enough for that shit. really in the end the parents just wrote a whole list of things trying to convince themselves that what they did was right for their daughter to curb their guilt on wanting to make their life a little more convenient. I'm just sad that the doctor who agreed to do the operation killed himself. that adds to the numbers of lives this family has ruined. if they really wanted to better everyone's life they should have just had an abortion when they found out she was going to be retarded.

That post really pissed me off. You don't know what they're "really concerned about", you don't know what they feel or what they want. She can't get ovarian cancer if she doesn't HAVE ovaries, they have said nothing about shortening her life, so your whole "she won't live long enough for that shit" comment was retarded. And even if she will live even 10 years less than she would have otherwise, it's not about quantity of years, it's about QUALITY. You know nothing about this, OBVIOUSLY, so shut your face and educate yourself by reading the website and the dad's blog. From what I can see, everything they did was out of love for their daughter. Read some of the statements made by other parents in similar situations. Read what I quoted in the paragraphs above, but don't be so damn ignorant and take your information from an article that is obviously very biased.

For the last fucking time everyone, READ THE FATHER'S BLOG.

You're all being very ignorant. If you can't even do as much as read about it properly, you don't deserve to have an opinion on it.
xoxenglishbabexox
My uncle has that, or at least something incredibly similar, so I think I'm fairly justified in being against this.

Her parents did not need to do that. They only did it for their own personal convenience. Bullshit that this was their best option. BULLSHIT.
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