I understand that this is the Politics and Religion sub-forum, but I feel a topic on the paranormal would be better suited here then general discussion.

What do you think about ghosts?
Do you believe in them?
Why or why not?
Have you ever had an experience?

I definitely believe in ghosts.
I've had experiences with them, such as when a friend and I thought it would be a fantastic idea to go out into the forest at midnight. We were walking along, and we both looked to the left. On top of a hill, we saw a face staring down at us. We both went apecandy and ran. Then there was the time something grabbed my leg.

I believe Ghosts ARE Demons.

In all honesty I believe that ghosts were something that people made up to make them feel like their deceased loved ones were still watching over them, if they didn't believe in the afterlife. Either that or some writer came up with the concept of ghosts, and some people took it as a possibility. And other people turned it into something scary because they pictures dead people walking around. And now ghosts occupy a certain part of our brains when we're in a dark or scary situation.

Demons are real but ghosts can just suck K-Dondike's saggy vagina

Good times gooood times...

There was a time I was under my friends house, and saw a figure in the back, thinking it was him, I crawled closer to it. And when I did, a face that looked somewhat like an old man appeared, then vanished, my friend was behind me the whole time.

I believe in ghosts. I don't believe that there are 'evil' ghosts (aka demons), I just believe that ghosts originate from three places: the spirit mundi (spirit world, as opposed to the other two like the physical world), the dead [I would assume they would be in the spirit mundi too], and [less common] the astral plane (like if any people are there but stay on Earth).

I've never seen a ghost, because I prefer not to focus on appearance but more on the mind, which is perfect in this case because to find a ghost and 'see' their appearance is probably much harder than communicating with one and letting them stay hidden. I lay out geomancy readings, which is a type of divination which is older than the medieval ages. Those are helped by ghosts from the spirit mundi. And, in general, I feel the presence of ghosts often. Rather than seek the out, I just wait until whatever their purpose there is achieved. That's another reason that I don't think there really aren't that many bad ghosts because when I feel the presence of one, it's usually to prevent harm or help.

I think the world ''beyond'' the world we see now is quite complex, though I think we could get some idea of it.

I do think there are some things out there, perhaps ghosts or perhaps things that can be called "attachments". I remember listening to a hypnosis session with a person who showed "another personality'' (in him). I can show you where you can listen the session, if interested.
People could call that (the other personality/ies) a demon or an attachment. And through hypnosis I think it is possible to make these attachments/demons to go away, however how easy it is going to be depends on the strength of the will of the ''demon''. So imo exorcism is real. Though, whatever these things really are is not so clear.

Here is something that a hypnotherapist wrote, quoted from "The Wave":



So attachments could also be perhaps not only demons, but also "lost"' human "souls"..

About the 'hidden' personality, that could also be the sign of some of one of the many psychological problems that can be present in someone. People usually block out bad experiences (or even possibly good ones, but not ass commonly) or emotional times. That's the root of many phobias and MPD (Multiple-Personality Disorder, though that's an extreme if someone blocks out many horrible experiences).

Yes of course. Though it is interesting that many times the attachments give details about their "past life". It's hard to tell whatever they are, or what it is. The interesting thing with ''demon-possesion'' is; the symptoms are always the same, the way the subject talks/moves/smells etc. is also the same. Could they all be going through the same thing in life which created such a ''hidden personality'' in them that looks so much like other ''hidden personalities'' from other subjects who perhaps have lived a totally different life? Or are there some things out there that can possess people and feed off of them?

Personally I think it's a mix of things. People have MPD, attachments (assuming it exists, but I would say yes), trauma's and whatnot. There isn't one person on earth who isn't totally ''clean'' (though they would like to think they are)... But that's another story.

About the 'attachments' acting the same, I wasn't referring to that. Though if that is the case, it's strange considering the same question about the attachments. Why would they all act the same? I haven't seen any videos or proof of their existence and how they act... but if you have (or if we have proof of it), it'd be strange to note the similarities and all. Maybe there are some species that may take over them that have different blueprints than us for how they behave and moves... is that why it's similar? Or is it a coincidence? Or is it even just the way emotionally disturbed people act? Or, more common-place, is it because most of them are shams and acting the way they think they should? So many questions.

Can you fuck off you stupid cunt?

I believe ghosts aren't dead people but they're Demons trying to get you to believe in something else, drop any belief and go believe in ghostly activity and things of such likings.

Who we gonna call? Ghostbusters!!

Oh wow. There's just nothing more to say, now is there?

I dislike you.

I'm not sure if there are many real exorcisms going on these days, I'm sure a few, well if you would go and stand there while the exorcism is being done, I am so sure, you will even feel it's evilness, it's presence..
It's interesting also that these demons have some kind of ''power'' and also the fact that they know everything about everyone who is in the room, they will use the smallest embarrassing details about you to use against you, but you will know what I'm talking about if you read more extensively about it.
And I can tell you that everyone with a healthy conscious will sense that ''demon'' and call it very evil. And you will also say that that demon is NOT part of the victim, but rather is possessing the victim.

If you think it's bullocks well read more about it and if you want, though be very careful, you could try to attend one if you can find one.

This.


This too.

I suppose you may be right, when I return in a month, I might do some research on demons. Possibly attend an exorcism (yes, there are actually many these days). I never personally believed in exorcisms because they're run by the church* which is known for making up (and later believing itself) false things (even making laws around them). I may attend one to feel how a so-called demon works. It could be helpful to learn about one more aspect, especially to help me in the future (since demons can come when you want spirits)... still, it would be dangerous to open my conciousness to much to one... and if I don't feel it, you'll tell me my conscience isn't healthy. BTW, have you ever actually attended an exorcism? (Just wondering if it's all talk).

*Sadly, covens don't run them because covens don't work with demons.

thank you for making light of the subject! =P i would say i do beleive because i watched the haunting once and my sister and i were convinced

Before you want to attend anything like this it is imo important to have knowledge about this first, though I can't say to you that all of this is ''true'', I think that is for you to find out. And with everything I read I keep doubts in my mind.

You might want to read this for more info on exorcism (+some cases of exorcisms) etc.:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vatican/esp_vatican27.htm

Here's what I think about ghosts:

Schizophrenia is a psychiatric diagnosis that describes a mental disorder characterized by abnormalities in the perception or expression of reality. Distortions in perception may affect all five senses, including sight, hearing, taste, smell and touch, but most commonly manifest as auditory hallucinations, paranoid or bizarre delusions, or disorganized speech and thinking with significant social or occupational dysfunction. Onset of symptoms typically occurs in young adulthood, with approximately 0.4–0.6% of the population affected. Diagnosis is based on the patient's self-reported experiences and observed behavior.

or

Absurdism is a philosophy stating that the efforts of humanity to find meaning in the universe ultimately fail (and hence are absurd), because no such meaning exists, at least in relation to the individual. The word "absurd" in this context does not mean "logically impossible", but rather "humanly impossible".

Finally, I'd like you guys to reread most of what you've written and explain to me how it scientificaly or rationally make sense. If your attempts to do that are futile, I should suggest you just forget about ghosts and demons, because they most probably don't exist.

I could say, I believe in invisible snowmen who just like to knock at doors at night because they happened to be demons back when Jebus got betrayed by Judas and YES it makes perfect sense.
You guys would cry in disgust and say ''no such thing is possible!''. But if it was a common knowledge, or if 1 billion people actually believed in such snowmen, then you'd all be fiberglassed.

You're not talking to creationists here, there's no need to talk down to me and the other people who believe here. You're talking to people who have had experiences they can't explain and have used ghosts as their solvent. Now, I don't know if ghosts exist. I really don't know. I don't know if the "souls" of dead people live on. However, you would quite arrogant to dismiss the phenomenon that is occurring as fake.

Most of your post is implying that believing in ghosts is based on faith. Especially the snowman bit. I'm assuming you just dragged your feet into this thread from some religious debate where it was you essentially copy and pasting everyone else flaming the creationists. That's my impression of course, you could just be naive, or perhaps trying to impress and impose your authority on fellow smoshers by insulting their intelligence.

I am a skeptical person, I always have been. I don't even believe in God. Up until a few weeks ago I didn't believe in the phenomenon of ghosts either. My friend had an experience, which I will not go into detail with, as it holds no ground on the internet, and I began to research this phenomenon. After learning quite a bit, I've come to the conclusion that ghosts are real, very real.

If a single man walks up to you and says "I saw a talking tree!" He would be crazy.
If your dad, sister, your neighbor, four of your friends and thousand of anonymous people came up to you and told you "I've seen a talking tree!" you believe them.

Would I?
A lot of misguided judgments are made without a rational and logical thought. You want to believe in something so bad, that even if it is something completely ridiculous, you'll still believe in it. I think knowing the vastness of the universe and just how complicated everything is, it is quite arrogant to think that we know enough about psychological or chemical reactions to know that what we see,hear or feel cannot be anything else but a ghost, a goddamn ghost. If there were ANY scientific proof of ghosts, or angels, or what ever supernatural creature you can think of, by now, after 50 million years of evolution, it would be a widely known and accepted fact that ghosts are real, but it's not the case.


Ghosts are based on faith, show me a tangible evidence of them, I'll give you a cake.



That was exactly my point. It doesn't mean it's real. The acceptance of something that is completely irrational, far-fetched and unbelievable to one, is proportionnal to the number of persons involved. This is why religion is so big. '' The more people believe in something, the more people believe in something.''
It happens all the time.

This is for you TTt:

close-minded :
Intolerant of the beliefs and opinions of others; stubbornly unreceptive to new ideas.
narrow-minded:
Lacking tolerance, breadth of view, or sympathy; petty.

hihi It's funny also that those who want ''proof'' all the time, aren't even bothered to research the subject themselves. ''Show the proof before my eyes and I will believe you!"'. Sorry but that's not how the system works. No matter what proof will be shown to you, you will stand where you stand.

I'm not saying you're wrong though. I think you're right partially.

Let me play the same game

Faith is the confident belief or trust in the truth or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing. For example, the word "faith" can refer to a religion itself or to religion in general. As with "trust", faith involves a concept of future events or outcomes, and is used conversely for a belief "not resting on logical proof or material evidence."

I'm not being close-minded, I'm being rational.
Though, If you mean, by close-minded that I am intolerant of the beliefs of people that are based on faith, and not tangible proofs, then yeah, maybe I'm close minded.... AND how the hell do you want me to look up for ''proofs'' of ghost? Want me to google it and see just how many influenceable people believe their toilet flushes by itself each night at 3am? Yeah, that'll change my mind.

I believe in ghosts, but that's only because I've had encounters with them.
I consider that good enough proof for me. But not for anybody else.

If you open the possibility that something is out there like "Ghosts" or "Demons" knowing you can't be SURE, then I would say, yes you are open minded. But you use words such as ''far-fetched'',''unbelievable'' etc. when you haven't even made the effort or took the time to research the whole thing about the let's say ''unknown''. You just ''think'' about it, merely ''speculate''. Being ''rational'' in your opinion. That's quite close-minded to me.

And I'm not only talking about Ghosts, but about anything that we can't really ''prove'' in a way science wants. So what we can do then is to go search ourselves, keep being open-minded for all possibilities, yes starting with reading stories, whether they're fake or not. Then perhaps study history etc. Read many opinions, read their views on this kind of subject, whether they're wackos or professors or whatever. It's not about believing what is written, it's about what you can learn from it, you learn to compare, to research...Then you might get to something.

But I know the way you look at this stuff. You even said "So what if aliens helped men build Stonehenge or pyramids (or not)?" . That just tells me that you are totally not interested in this kind of stuff! Which is totally okay. But I think it's not very kind to call it far-fetched when you haven't touched a book about any of this.

Me personally, I haven't had any experiences with ''Ghosts'' or anything, but I do keep an open ear for those who did have some kind of weird experiences. And no, I don't ''believe'' what is being said as ''true'', I merely listen, at the same time knowing it could be true and also that it could be just made up. It depends on the person, story and whatever. But as always and as with everything: you can never be sure.

First of all, if 'trust' means future to you, then you really don't understand that ghosts and demons would be a present topic too (along with past).

Just because you're close-minded self doesn't accept any other kinds of evidence (except, of course, for yourself and your beliefs) doesn't mean others don't. So don't tell them that they're wrong for believing in other kinds of evidence... at least they found the evidence; you didn't even bother to gather it. You expect someone to shove it in your face so you can just disagree with them. Why? It's easier and cooler, which brings me to my next point...

You are doing the same thing you blame us for. You're doing what is cool and the majority do (not to mention it's easy). Maybe some people believe in ghosts and whatnot (more people makes it more likely), but most are 'cool' and just laugh at them. So even though you are using the cool way and laughing at our faces, you're not using logic yourself. In other words, your belief is not "resting on logical evidence..." Why? Because the existence of supernatural creatures is no less likely than the lack of existence of them considering the data we have. So, before your an asshole and tell us we're wrong and there is practially no chance we're right, think out your own points.

***Sent from camp (Got on a computer shortly)***

Where the hell did my posts and that other guy's posts go?

I think ghost is just something like radio wave, if we have the right recepter we will see them.

I don't believe in ghost yet, I've never seen ghost. Maybe I have no right recepter haha

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I believe that ghosts are real. There are so many times that I've been visiting my grandfather and swore I saw my grandmother there too. Like almost transparent, sitting on the couch or roaming the kitchen. I don't really have much else to say.

I don't believe in ghosts or demons.
I always need a proof before I believe in something

Now I really want an invisible pet snowman made of fiberglass...



Oh,yeah.I believe in ghosts,but I kind of use it as an excuse to be afraid of going into a creepy damp and dark house at night when my friends get bored because they are all big believers.

I believe completely in ghosts and spirits of such, and I don't find it at all improbable that those unable to be at rest would be able to still walk the earth in some way or form.

As I said before: I don't believe in ghosts nor demons.