It's windy.
The air is chipper,
and the cold sea's
spray lingers in the
swaying breeze.
I am not scared.
My hands are in fists,
and my legs do not
shake.
My teeth are chattering.
My body is stiff with the cold.
The sound of crashing waves
is slight on the breeze,
but it has power;
raging bigger, stronger, and more fierce
than anything that I could ever be.
I long to be a part of it.
I always said that I wanted to be "smeared across
the pavement like a firefly, so that i might shine for Christ."
But this is different....
I want to be instantly crushed,
into tiny pieces,
until I am a part of this powerful
Force.
I am not strong on my own.
So i leap,
zero hesitation,
my muscles instantly flex
and send me flying
over the edge,
and my body is then cradled by a mass of air
flowing all around me,
caressing me,
comforting me,
for doing something so rash and insane
to be a part of something bigger.
Then my heart quickens,
the air suddenly loses its grip on me,
and lets go,
leaving me to my fate.
In that instant my body hits the waves
and is mangled and distorted by their sudden impact,
and then,
I am consumed by those mighty, crashing, waves.
I become part of the utterly unstoppable force.

I wont jump off of a real cliff.
I will say,
Jesus is that mighty, crashing, sea.
He tells us to crash and FIGHT against the unmovable rock and land of the Earth,
Of humanity.
Until eventually all the Earth,
and all the humanity,
has eroded away
and all we see is the Heart of the world.
Jesus.

I am part of that force.

Jesus is Lord.
Amen.

(:

Have a good day everyone.
I love you.
God Loves you.
Godbless.

Nice poem, though I don't think Jesus tells us to crash..

How do you know when to interpret Jesus' words symbolically or literally?

Honestly, I don't think that Jesus ''wants'' anything from us or tells us to do anything. Assuming he existed or a person like him, I would say that he was merely here to teach us and help those who ask. To see him as some kind of God or to believe that he died on a cross is based on Nothing. You're fooling yourself. You're basing your belief on air, on so-called love. For all we know, he might have never died on a cross and a large % of the Bible is all made up. To EXCLUDE this possibility means that you are blinding yourself. Excluding possibilities that could be part of the TRUTH means you do not want to receive truth and that you've made your own truth, thus; you remain imprisoned.
As Jesus said himself: The truth shall set you free.

Unfortunately many people, like you, totally misunderstand the reason why he was here (if there was any) and what he taught. Well, maybe I could be wrong as well.

Just saying, that loving him more than yourself or anything or anyone will not save you from the prison you live in.

I also think you're lying when you say ''I love you'', for all we know, some of us could be murderers, ..would you still ''love'' murderers? I don't know.
Just sounds weird and fake to me.

Remember how some sheep love the place they're livin at and are enjoying the sun, the grass, their fellow-sheep and the people who take care of them. How much they maybe love them.
Maybe some of the sheep write the same kind of poem, because of the happiness they're feeling at the moment.

But how little do they know that they are going to be butchered? Ready to be eaten?
Because they were just too close-minded to open up the possibility that the reason they were so wonderfully taken care of was so that they would taste better and be nice and fat for dinner.

Would they still love those people in the same way if they would open up that possibility?

Don't take this too literally, but symbolically.

I'm not saying Jesus is wrong, I think that we all can learn from his teachings. But drowning yourself in FAKE love is something you might want to think about. Perhaps others are benefiting from your belief in Jesus as a God just like those people who take care of the sheep and like those sheep as close-minded as possible?

Jesus lived.
And Jesus died.
Everyone dies, of course, thats no big deal.

Its the fact that he has risen again,

I think you missed that completely.

I believe in the Bible.
There are many accounts in religions
from that same area and time period that account for Jesus.
You don't have to believe he was who he is.
But i do.
But i'm just going to say that,
whatever you do or say or think.
I still love you.
God still loves you.

And I'm not being fake whatsoever.

I consistently ask myself the same question;
Why are people, humans, so situational and so based on circumstances with showing their love?

Its ridiculous. Seriously. I hate that so much about humanity.
I could be at the hands of the person who is supposed to kill me and still love him.
(But of course were all human, we all have our moments. Not saying im perfect in any way shape or form)

What must have happened to him/her in their lifetime to cause them to act in such a way? What kind of pain, deprivation, loss must they be experiencing?

God gives me strength to endure any obstacle or circumstance in my path.
That doesnt mean i have to like it, or that it is going to be easy, though.


P.S. Im not excluding that possibility. Because a little doubt now and again is healthy, it helps you double check and helps you dig deeper to make you realize that what you are studying really is the truth, or really is not.

(((:

If you dont mind me asking what are you specific beliefs?

Ehm no. That is not a fact. That is just a sentence from a book. It is a fact, if we had some kind of solid proof. We can never be sure.



The bible is also full of contradictions.



We lie to ourselves and others all the time, even when we are not aware of it. I do it too. Maybe you'll see that as well some day.



Because humans are selfish and you can't trust them.



Well, I think you are thinking one step ahead. Before humanity can be all cuddly with each other, they have to find their ''lost'' human nature back, so to speak.
You can not be ''all nice, candy and dandy'' one moment and the other not, if you TRULY want to be a person that respects everyone and everything, you FIRST have to KNOW the world/universe you're living in and especially Yourself.

Then we might have some kind of idea of what Love really is.



And who knows, maybe, if reincarnation exists, we've been murderers ourselves in one life or another. Indeed, no need to hate anyone or anything imo, it's more about understanding why and how everything happens.



That's nice. Try to see obstacles as challenges, be happy when there is an obstacle, because there will be something to learn from it.



Okay, nice!



I don't really believe anything and I know very little. Though I do learn a lot every day. You might say I ''believe'' in some things, which are based on data, but I always have some doubts about everything.

I do think that Jesus existed, though I could be wrong and I also think that there is a God. But not God as in a Powerful Person-Being who judges, blesses and curses, no, God as the All. As the Universe, our Thoughts, Our Minds, Nature,etc... perhaps better to describe God as ''Divine Cosmic Mind'' (:

Btw, what do you think about this prayer/poem? (It's not mine):

I mostly skimmed through this thread, but I would like to add that there is historical proof that a guy named Jesus lived around that time...

...but whether or not you believe that he was the savior is what makes you a Christian or not. Whether or not you believe the holy/sacred part of his teachings, not including all the moral/good-or-bad lessons, is what makes you a Christian or not.

figureskaterosu:
Thanks ((:
I was referring to that fact earlier.
Woot.

Pookie:
I can see you are going to try and make me
"wrong"
or try to always have the upper hand or whatever.
But just know you're not going to/haven't been
swaying my beliefs at all whatsoever.
You can believe what you want to.
But im going to be praying for you.
I hope that doesn't weird you out.
Its going to be something of the effect of:
Allow whatever needs to happen, or should happen occur in your life, and help you to have open eyes, and an open heart to whatever comes your way.

How is the Bible full of contradictions?
I can tell you some of them, but i want to know the specific ones you are talking about.

There is solid proof.

And i am not being fake.
and i am nott lying to myself.
Lying to myself would be trying to tell myself that im never going to lose my temper with someone, or that i can love someone all the time every day. Without Christ. Even with him, its hard.

When it comes down to it, no body can really know in these times.
But i believe.
and i don't want you
or anyone else to suffer eternally,
and be eternally separated from God.

I dont like the fact that its to "the cosmic mind"
but i like the thought of it in absence of that. ((:

Have a wonderful day.
I look forward to reading your reply.

P.S. I hope you dont mind me asking,
how old are you?

Iloveyou
Godlovesyou.
Godbless.

((:

I'm having to agree with Pookie_ on this.

She isn't trying to sway your beliefs. She is just trying to have a discussion. So don't take it as an attack.

I don't believe in the good of religion as you do, I see more harm in it. You put your trust in a being you have never seen or heard and hope that they put good things your way. I trust in myself and work for good things to come my way. I'm not saying that you don't trust yourself. I'm just saying I trust myself a lot more then any spiritual being.

Its not that i dont work hard to get the things i want, or even "need"
but i believe in a being greater than us all,
who created us and loves us.
I dont have to see it to believe it.

(: Have a good day

Its not that i dont work hard to get the things i want, or even "need"
but i believe in a being greater than us all,
who created us and loves us.
I dont have to see it to believe it.

(: Have a good day

Yes, it is true there was a man named Jesus at this time. However, based on where he lived, there is no way he was white.

Therefore, the Church lies.

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You took up a whole thread to spread your belief. Don't act so confused when someone challenges you on it if you choose to do so... I mean, come on. That's what these threads are for. You were bringing attention to yourself on a debate forum, did you really honestly and consciously expect not to hear a rebuttal?

It seems that you cannot defend your religion. That's fine, but if that's the case, don't try to spread something you cannot prove... or, at least, don't try to convince people if you cannot support your claims.

This is on a side note, but I believe that Pookie's age doesn't matter, and using that against her would be close-minded. So is "praying for her"... you don't know you're right, yet you're acting like others are 100% wrong and need you to save them. Are you just trying to start a fight?

When did the church say that he was white? We learned about what languages he and his piers might have spoken, and what he might have actually looked like knowing where he came from, that he probably wasn't white. How depictions of him have evolved is irrelevant.



Pookie - Jesus' crucifixion, death, and resurrection is also more than "just a sentence from a book." To start off, it is kind of common sense whether or not you should take something from the bible literally or metaphorically. For example, as far as the New Testament goes, Jesus' teachings are meant to be taken metaphorically and translated into our own lives. They consist of ideas and beliefs. The ideas actually, I think, present good values to live by as person in general, even if you don't have the belief that those actually came from God and Jesus was the Word(whom we believe is a person of the Trinity) made human flesh on Earth.

However, the events of Jesus' life are a totally different story. They are meant to be taken literally. They aren't ideas or beliefs, they are facts. To start off, Christians, or at least Catholics as I know, don't really care about the Infancy Narratives, (his childhood) or at least they find them more trivial. The main focus is the events later in his life, the ministry part of his life. You say that his crucifixion, death, and resurrection might have not happened? Trust me, if we didn't have that as one of the facts of our religion, even with our religion's beliefs, we Christians probably wouldn't even exist.

Nonbiblical writers like Tacitus, a Roman pagan historian, Lucian, a Greek rhetorician, and Josephus, a Jewish historian, help verify these things. I would also like to add that the gospel accounts aren't just made up. The people who persecuted Jesus and his followers really only denied that he was God, and Jews really only deny the parts of the Gospels that say that there is this New Covenant because Jesus is God. They denied what was the faith aspect of Christianity. I don't care whether you do or do not deny the faith aspect. I'll continue: Romans never denied his resurrection. This is how important the resurrection is to us: "If this event did not come to pass, Christianity is of no use. 1 Corinthians 15:14 says, 'And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith.' The Christians of the early Church agreed with the Apostle Paul's statement. The Church would have come to nothing had the resurrection been discredited." About his crucifixion, Tacitus states this in Annals 15.44: "Christus…suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilate, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular." In that, he states that Jesus "checked for the moment"(died from the crucifixion) and then "again broke out."(resurrected) Lucian also only denies the faith aspect: "The Christians, you know, worship a man to this day the distinguished personage who introduced their novel rites, and was crucified on that account. . . . You see, these misguided creatures start with the general conviction that they are immortal for all time, which explains the contempt of death and voluntary self-devotion which are so common among them; and then it was impressed on them by their original lawgiver that they are all brothers, from the moment that they are converted, and deny the gods of Greece, and worship the crucified sage, and live after his laws. All this they take quite on faith, with the result that they despise all worldly goods alike, regarding them merely as common property." Josephus wrote in Antiquities, book 18, chapter 3, part 3: "Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ. And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day; as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day."

That to me is proof of these real events, Jesus' suffering, death, and resurrection.



And for all the general rest, well, I'll just say that they don't call it a "faith" for nothing. One of faith's qualities is that it's reasonable. I definitely don't mind people arguing for God's nonexistence. However, one saying that God is fake is the equal opposite of one saying that God is real, as there is no proof that God doesn't or does exist.

The fact that they have changed depictions of Jesus is not irrelevant, but in fact completely relevant to what I am talking about.

The fact that the Church has changed the image of Jesus to better suit their motives is nothing short of greed and racism.

I clicked on this thread hoping it would be about Jediism. ohwell



I don't see the reason present in faith. In my opinion, faith is something that involves blind following.

Great poem no matter whether you believe or not.

If religion gives people a moral code (and I mean a true moral code) there can be no harm in it. Religion does not harm people it is people who manipulate religion for their own means that are the problem.

Live and let live I say

THE FORCE???!?!

im so fvcking disappointed, i thought this was gonna be a post about the order of the Jedi and Jedi teachings.
which, quite frankly, i put more faith in than the christian faith.

really.

EDIT:

didnt see this before.
winwinwinwinwin.