Well, first of all, terraformation is making a planet exactly as the Earth

Scientists are wondering if we can transform Mars and Venus into another Earth. Even though its possible, it can help our planet from one of the biggest problems we have: overpopulation. We can terraform these planets and send people to those planets. Yes, it can help, but also it can be a waste of money and a waste of time because terraforming ain't going to be easy and can take a lot of time.

What do you think??

I really can't imagine how to make them like Terra. That would mean to pull Mars closer to the sun and Venus away from it. Unless there is another way that I don't know of

Anyway ... it would be great if this would be possible. Because we are running out of resources and really need to find some more. Who knows, maybe Mars is full of petrol and gold .

Anyway if you could answer me how can this be done I'd be thankfull

dude, i have no idea how this is going to be done...the good thing is that there are tons of websites about Terraformation

That sounds pretty cool. But in order to visit people on the planets, we need a daily space ship ride to them? That would cost a lot. Waste of money.

stupid thread! someone close it now!

.. yeah ... kids would take school spaceships to go to school

hey wait a minute, this thread is not stupid, this is about the future dumbass...you better be well informed on what might happen

I don't know, but this seems like it would be a very risky thing, because you'd have to have longer or shorter years, shorter days, and time itself will have to be redone just to do this, so I personally don't agree with this idea.

was actually talking about Venus today in physics, and how it's pretty much exactly identical to earth except for that the greenhouse effect has had such a major effect that it's made the planet inhospitably hot.

So like, we just have to figure out a way to melt off the layer of carbon gasses, and we could, feasibly, turn venus into a hostpitable planet, I think.

Imagine if this has happened before. Like, humans already destroyed Venus or whatever and then we terraformed earth 1000s of years ago and we've just lost records of it happening!

IT COULD HAPPEN SHUT UP.

hahaha thats funny.
it could of happened. you never know.
but that would suck if it did.
i wonder if people millions of years ago were talking about the future
saying stuff like oh wow imagine if we could travel so fast
we could get to the other side of the world in a minute or 24 hours hah
crazy cuz we can travel so fast now. hmm.
yea haha

Did they send the space ships off into the sun after we came over, then forget we knew anything about technology?

YES.

When we came to earth we crashed and blew up and only a man named Adam and a woman named Eve survived! But they hit their heads in the accident and had amnesia!

So that's how it all began!
I wonder how many kids Adam & Eve had to have.. oh boy.

And thus, the leader of the expedition was named God, and the place that they crashed was code-named Eden?

Is terraformation possible? No. So, for the sake of post-length, I shall elaborate on the condition of natural resources instead.
Note the use of condition, and not "issue", because there is no threat from lack of resources today. The population will eventually pan out and the earth will support itself. It's impossible for their to be more people than an amount of food that could sustain them, because just think~ what would happen? People would starve, and then there would be enough food/water what have you for anyone left over from this original group. The only reason the population's on the rise is because of the improving medical/social environment we live in. And, an argument usually brought to the table (pardon the pun) is the people starving in certain impoverished regions such as sub-saharan Africa. Well, if they were starving they wouldn't be alive, would they? They can live from grains and such provided by other goverments, and when that doesn't happen, they die. No overpopulation as some would think. And, just so you know, there is more than enough food produced each year for every single person on earth to eat to their heart's content. It's just that the distribution is off, so that most North Americans eat more than they should, and most everyone else doesn't.
The leading cause of death is starvation, so I don't see how the world can be overpopulated and run out of resources as well. It's either/or, people.
How can we help? From donating food and money to the people who need it most. As you probably well know, Evilthing999, Whoopie Goldberg has joined L.A. weight loss. Maybe we should all follow her example.

Whoopi is going to lose her womanly curves? Noooooooooooooo

I like Jamie's idea. A LOT.

put the girls that are obsessed with tanning on venus, thats a start.. and all the mexicans..

AM I RIGHT!!! HUHHH.


im such a racist.

I don't think its possible YET. Since mars has lots of carbon dioside, how are they going to find oxygen? Don't tell me they are going to build a highway on space to transfer the oxygen?

first of all we have to GET ON those planets .
second , this thing will happen in the FAR FUTURE , not even posible in our millenium .
third we have the Moon right here near us, why go Mars or Venus ?
4th we don`t have the money , we don`t have the money to build a international space station

uh. So, just to clear things up, I don't think terraformation is exactly feasible, but I'm just going to be the devil's advocate here un poco, because this post seems really misinformed and dumb.

1. That sentance doesn't make sense.
2. maybe in the millenium...but definately not in our lifetime.
3. Because the moon has no atmosphere.
4. we....have an international space station already? I don't know what you're talking about.

1. i misspelled " GET ON " - and we didn`t even stepped on those planets - but yeah , this might be a lil stupid
2. don`t be that sure
3. it`s closer , and we know so much about it , and who needs an atmosphere , we could build something to replace it
4. yes we do have one, but it`s incomplete , because ? MONEY ! and yeah , get more informed before replying and try to look smart .

1. I'm sorry I'm not psychic? But as for your point, we're supposed to have men on mars within the next 20-30 years.
2. I never said I was sure. But a thousand years is a long time, and I would bet that it would be plenty of time for the technological advancements that would be necessary to be developed.
3. Why yes, even though we don't have the money/technology to take men to mars and venus, or even complete the space station, I'm sure we'll be able to build a huge bubble that will be able to sustain life on the moon! /sarcasm. Plus the fact that the moon is several orders of magnitude smaller than either mars or venus.
4. I still don't think this is very relevant....

And I'm sooo not trying to look smart. I blame any knowledge I have of space on my physics teacher, who is all involved with like, some mars mission.

Anyways you should really blame that teach of yours And maybe i`m not the best one to argue about this thing, cuz all my "knowledge" come from Discovery and stupid channels like this. And this was just an opinion, good or right ...

EDIT : and about that Moon project or something , it`s just like u`ll want to build a base on Mars or Venus , and u still have to build the "bubble" , but it`s hella closer , and this will decrease the "price tag" ...

Maybe in hundreds of years from now we'll be forced to consider planetary colonization, but for now the idea is pretty ridiculous as there is no need for us to colonize other planets, nor do we have the means to do so even if there was a need. If you've ever driven on I5, or probably anywhere in the Midwest, you'd know that overpopulation, at least in America, isn't a problem that can't be fixed by simply developing on existing undeveloped land.

Question: Given that we (America) made it to the moon and planted our flag on its surface, does that mean the moon has been claimed as ours? Because that's a lot of real estate there.

yeah, I'm probably not the best person to be arguing this either. Yay for underinformed arguements?

Aaaand the moon project thing: The thing about mars and venus having an atmosphere, is that both of them show signs of once being a lot like earth. Mars, I know less about - I'm pretty sure that atmosphere's just plain toxic. But Venus actually shows signs of being almost identical to earth at one point in the very distant past. What happened was that something threw off the balance of carbon molecules in Venus' atmosphere, though, exactly like what we refer to on earth as global warming. On earth, it's caused by industrialization - car exhaust and factory exaust and such releases carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide into the air, which creates an insulating blanket that slowly but surely warms the planet as a whole. On Venus, this effect pretty much just got way out of control, and the layer of carbon molecules in the atmosphere got so thick that it raised the general temperature of the planet something like 400 or 500 degrees. So, were we to somehow (and this is the part that isn't feasible yet) remove that blanket of carbon molecules, Venus would return to a temperature that would probably be just slightly warmer than earth, and would probably have a very earth-like atmosphere, making it muuuuuch more hospitable than the moon.

Plus it would be pretty much impossible to build anything on the moon because of the issue of everything you took there simply floating off into space the moment you left it alone. Foundations wouldn't settle right, because the moon isn't big enough to have enough of a gravitational pull to hold things there, etc, etc.

Its impossible now but it may be possible in the future when they find out how to get oxygen in a cost-effective way and how humans are gonna survive there.

you have the know how of a NASA engineer , guess you are pretty fascinated , and you seem to talk about this with passion , and hope . Anyways, nice taking (debating) with you about this , guess i`ved been powned

I'd rather not try something so big that is can destroy the whole universe. Wouldn't moving moving either venus or mars interrupt the balance of the planets and cause some bad shit. Plus how the hell do you move a planet.

You need an article to go with this so we can see the exact scientific stuff to this. Because you gave us very little information on how it would be done.

I'll bet that Venus was once EARTH, and then everyone was using their futuristic material things too much and it caused global Venus warming, and then we all had to come to Earth in spaceships and they erased our memories. Kind of like what Jamie's saying. EXCEPT MY IDEA'S COOLER!

yeah , an weasels once ruled the world

No, that was mice. They actually were experimenting on us until the great squash of '41.

my butt still hurts from those anal probes
and it was "THE GREAT QUASH OF `43" , dark days ....

The only reason for that is because we fucked up earth.... So now we want to destroy a new planet...... Oh yea, that makes sense. Besides, our technology isn't advanced enough to just send people there......

You're absolutely right I forgot...hehe

Red Colony

AND

Terraforming Mars

isn't venus too hot and mars too cold for humans?

Church of Amramieism!

I think we should all just stay here and die our inevitable, deserved deaths.
Why go fuck up another planet?

Yeah i'll be dead by the time this becomes neccessary. Fuck the future generations!

EDIT: First post of a page, go figure



Exactly.

w1nn0r.

Okay, it's a LITTLE selfish.
But maybe in the future, we'll have invented a way of saving our planet anyway.

Like better contraception.
And abortions whenever we feel like it

Instead of that, let's just sterilize everyone who shouldn't have babies in the first place.

Anyway, Venus is closer to the sun, so I think it's got more potential. I like the place. With a few gigatons of catalyst to lower the albedo of the atmosphere, we could cool the place off.

Fuck the police, with the funds necessary to transform another planet into earth we could probably save our own and come up with a way to keep our population down. Or we could buy everyone a lifetime of drugs so they forget about their problems.

Thats pretty funny, lol...but not a good way to solve problems




Giving Oxygen and Nitrogen to other planets is gonna be hard if we are gonna terraform these planets...obviously we're gonna colonize in there by space stations and then terraform them

Ya i agree it's gonna b tough but the question is will we be able to do it in time before we become over populated because the cost is unbelievably high for the space ship rides and all. The research it's self will take over 30-70 years just to find out how to make it to mars without ur spaceship getting damaged. but then again i'm not so experienced in this stuff nor have i done my reasearch but thats but i think about all this.

And even after it's all built or whatever.. we would still need to pay. Spaceship rides from planet to planet, just to visit. So every human being would need to be trained for months just to go to space?

It's too much. If it's possible, we would need an incredible amount of money.

^ thats very true

I think everyone should just be steralized at birth, and have to get a license to have kids... &In order to get it you must be a certain age, be financially stable, etc. That could solve the whole overpopulation thing, and perhaps give some people a better life. At least in the US, it isn't that hard to prevent pregnancy. &What is going on at a hospital in JUST the town I live in? They delievered a little over 200 babies just last month... Mind you, I live in a town that has only about 60,000 people or so.

haha That was a little off topic, but oh wwell.

everyone that said that we will die by the time we do this then you're right because its going to take more than 100 years...

a scientist proposed to release greenhouse gases on Mars and heat up Mars (right now Mars is minus 60 degrees CELSIUS)..then when it reaches 0 degrees celsius the water at the poles and aquafers would melt and release water..then it will become a gas and genetically engineered microbes could be released to establish a biosphere and produce oxygen. Timeline for this: 50 years. With the new atmosphere the soil will change, this will take 25 years and for the plants to grow it will take another 25 years.

Yes, we will be dead, but i just want you to know what scientists are proposing for the future

I agree with the first bit.
Mind you, if it were up to me, that would leave about three pairs of people who would be permitted to have children.

I don't think Venus has much potential, to be frank.
It's a toxic hell hole.
Even if we were able to cool it down and change the atmosphere (which we might as well do on our own stupid planet), it's still be too close to the Sun and we'd all get hugely radiated... Or whatever the correct terminology is.

I don't think we should be wasting our time and money on stupid space endeavours.
Use the money to save this planet, goddamn.