I open this topic to talk about a very interesting topic: suicide.

What do you think about the act of kill yourself ? would you do it ?

Personally, I know that some day I might kill myself but I´m not sure, if something really bad happens I´ll end my life by my own hand...

¿The way to do it?

A shave leaf to cut my vains... quick, not very painful, clean... but of course, with my iPod playing Led Zeppelin´s Stairway to Heaven and a good dawn at the beach after a night full of girls, beer and pizza

If I´ll kill myself I would do it greatly, not hide in a bathroom

¿What about you?
¿Would you do it?
¿Why?
¿Which method would you use?
¿Do you know anybody who did it?

Let´s talk about this seriously because this is a delicated topic...

See you around,

Marvin Nash

Something, someway, somwhow, you were giving a life to do as you please with, to use, and flourish from that. Not wallow in a hole thinking about how it will end, or how you can end it.

Live life to it's fullest, don't even make suicide cross your mind

It's pointless.

Shit happens, life sucks, but you seriously we given the opportunity to live it, once it is over, it is done, no second chances no moving, there's nothing great about suicide, I've experienced it first hand, and there is nothing noble about it, life goes on and the only person you end up hurting is yourself and the people in your future, unless you're like Hitler.

if you are going to have that party then what is the point of suicide knowing u can never have girls and pizza and beer again anyways i think its pointless all you are doing is hurting the ones who love you

What Emiley said. Life has up and downs, you just have to be strong enough to pull yourself up again. You can't end your life thinking that life will be disastrous all the time. You get one life, live it.

A friend of mine committed suicide a couple of years ago.
At the time, I hated her for leaving me, and then I hated myself for not realising she was in pain and needed help. I wished she'd told someone, anyone about it.
But then a year or so later, I found myself in the same position and I realised why she couldn't tell anyone. People are insensitive, and they don't listen. I think that if Emily had told me that she'd wanted to die, I would have called her emo and laughed it off. That's what I thought people would do to me, I couldn't tell anyone, because my reasons for wanting to die sounded pathetic when I said them aloud, I couldn't make it sound serious. I couldn't make it sound reasonable, even though I knew I felt so desolate, so alone and useless, so desperately in pain. I tried to end it, failed, got shit for it from everyone who found out (ie. the whole school). (Most) People are shit, is the basic moral of this story.
I now take anyone seriously if they say to me they want to die. Even if they seem like they're joking, I'll listen. Just so they know that someone's listening.

If I was going to do it, I'd do it like a samurai, it would have to be in protest of something like a war or tearing down a tree, and I'd do it with those seven cuts in my belly or whatever and slowly die a painful death just like the samurai of old.

I'm with Cedar, Emiley and Dang. People commit suicide because of how bad things have become in their lives, but ending your life doesn't make it better. It's an act of extreme cowardice. People go through hard times and are strong enough to face them with courage, not selfish pity on themselves.

What about the people who tried for so much time, with everything going against them, but every time landed in an even worse state than before? Be in a bad situation before you judge someone else. I don't know about the others, but I tried everything to try and improve my life, and honestly, it seems as though I was born to suffer. Every time it's something completely ridiculous that happens.

You want suffering? I wish you were born in Africa where everyone's starving to death. That's exactly what they do, starve to death, not kill themselves. They aren't cowards. You don't know suffering. We live in the some of the greatest countries in the world on this website, and have everything at our fingertips, yet we moan around and whine about our pitiful lives. There are so many others that are so worse off. Stop being a sissy.

They starve to death, although Europe and America overproduce and don't want to ship the resources for free. Proves my point about the evil nature of humanity.

And no, whatever you do, there's something you won't have at your fingertips. Try finding someone who does nice things without the provisionnal benefit. And finally, the main difference between physical and social starvation is that the second one doesn't leave scars. I'd honestly (and I'm deadly serious) swap with someone starving to death. You wanna know why? Because then I'd have a rock-hard reason to reassure myself about - I'd know what I am suffering of, and I'd also know that I'm not the problem. At the moment, I pretty much feel like I am the problem, for all those stuff. And if you had read my first post, you'd know that.

I'm perfectly sane, and definitely not a sissy. If I was a sissy I wouldn't have stopped my suicide attempts by myself; if it continues, I won't, though. There are limits to how much evil I can tolerate.

uhm...... i like to suffer... not die at once....
^^U
that's why i cut myself sometimes :S

I feel at the same time as victim and culprit. Victim because I've suffered badly from everything that happened, and culprit because, in my eyes, I inadvertently started all the problems. I should've shut my eyes in Reading, and shut my mouth for the company thing. 2 times 30 seconds = life ruin. Not bad for a first-timer, eh?

I think so too, but I didn't have a say in this

Talented...it's true that I've found a few gifts on the way (incomparable problem-solving skills and knack at sciences), but...I guess it pretty much compensates for all the rest.

I've always had problems to live in a corrupt world, that's what I have. How am I supposed to adapt and integrate when I can't lie? (and I seriously can't, the concept doesn't even register in my brain as a potential).

Is that true ? have you ever considered to get professional help ?... I suggest you to do it, I have some friends that do that and it´s kinda worrying...

In reference to anima:

If you had said nothing you wouldn`t have been happy either. Things happened as they had to happen, with or without you. Without you it only had happened later...what`s the difference? Your family broke apart that`s the tender spot and as I`ve read your comments your parents seem to make you feel responsible of their own faults. But I don`t know.
Your talents were already in you. They are right there and you have to use them for your future. With a splitted family you have to become an adult earlier than other teenager.
And adapting that`s another word for lying, you`re absolutely right. But as I`ve already said: You will change everybody`s mind about you if you are self-confident and earnest anyway....so that you can give some of your ideals to communitiy.

Only Emos think of suicide... as I am not an Emo I don't think like that...

im a Muslim and its a very big sin for Muslim people. im not into religion much but i wont commit suicide even if i would really want to die. its stupid.

Exactly right. Around here, I'm always the scapegoat

Exactly right again; I don't think I've changed at all in three years. All that stuff changed me before, and in the good sense of things...

I've tried, I've tried being myself and giving my ideas to the world, but every time I did I either got harassed, beaten up or shouted at. Since then, I shut my mouth and let the days pass by, with rare exceptions, even though it's not necessarily better.

Try again and again.
Your splitted family will make you strong at any time because you`ll be already "accustomed to problems". A lot of people are not.

There's no "accustom" factor in it - I still feel the problems as badly as anyone else, if not worse. Problems don't strengthen people; it makes them more fragile and receptive to insults and bullying.

A vicious circle, basically.

Depends on the way people deal with their problems.
I was talking about the future, YOUR future that probably will be better than anyone else`s.

Problems strengthen those who are of strong character. If problems make you weaker, something is wrong with the way you think. You've got to face each problem with determination to see it changed. Problems should make anyone stronger, because once they face it and survive once, they can face the same problem again when it rises.

Be a man and stop feeling sorry for yourself.

Be a man and stop judging people. And ONCE AGAIN, read my first post before judging.

The thing that makes me weaker might be something natural, compassion maybe? But I bet you haven't thought about this one, because everyone's a sissy compared to you.

I've read your first post, and it doesn't change anything. I don't know what you mean by saying everyone's a sissy compared to me, because there are a lot of very strong people on this website. People who are very compassionate, and have been through a lot. That is no excuse. Being a man means not letting things stand in the way of what you want, even if what you want is simply happiness.

One thing's for certain, whining and pouting about problems doesn't fix them.

Irony detector, hello?
And if that's what you call being a man, if I was a sissy, I'd have slit my wrists a while ago and not have given myself a chance to try and rectify my life. I'm still trying to, but...Bah. you probably can't understand.


What about "pouting AND trying to solve them?"

This is what I think and I know someone will disagree with me butttt
I'm sure everyone at some point in life is just like, this sucks I don't want to be here right now.
BUT that just applies to that point of time when everything is going down hill or has been.
The thing is, you can change them. Things do get better depending on how you handle them. Life is such a gift, suicide is NEVER the answer.
I almost think it's selfish, your friends and family would miss you so much, and things would even be harder for them, along with maybe some guilt.
anyways that's what i think. i've never wanted to kill myself but when things got really bad i know i wanted to just go away for awhile and come back when everything was better. unfortunatly thats not how life works, you have to deal with it and it only makes you a stronger person.

Everyone has their ups and downs in life. Some people are more sensitive than others, and can't handle the stressful and depressing events in life. Killing yourself won't make it better. It doesn't make you happier. You should see a doctor or talk to someone if you even consider killing yourself.

I had a friend who was very emotional, and considered suicide. Luckily, she came to me for help, and I eventually convinced her that killing herself wasn't worth it. She told me that if she killed herself, all the pain and suffering would be over. Not true. 1) You're causing yourself more pain by attempting to kill yourself. 2) You end up hurting the people around you, since you're now dead.

Honestly, I never considered killing myself. I don't think I ever would.

Note: Before you read this, i'm not "Getting back" at you for anything, I am merly sympathising with you, I too have tasted the "fruits" of life. And keep in mind though you have at both our ages experienced life at it's full extent, we are still only 17/18 years old. We have along way ahead of us.

I have experience the ups and down of moving and such. I moved from where I was born with close friends and such, from Canada, to Seattle to start a new. In Canada I have to admit, we lived very poor lives, almost in poverty if anything. My father recieved an amazing raise in a job at Boeing. Our lives get on track. In Seattle I make the best friends I have ever had, i'm popular, and I fall in love. We live in a small, yet beautiful house in suburbia, neibors, kids in the street, a complete chill awesome life. At this point, at the hight of things, i'm with the woman I love, everything is smooth, the great Boeing lay-off happened. Due to my father being a contractor, he was one of the first to be layed off.

We re-assure ourselves, ok, we have the engineering degree, we can get picked up pretty quick back on our feet. Nope. Funds grown to the point of bankrupsy, we have to sell our house and wait on a job, my father now works at a "Swans" job (Drives frozen food around selling it to people), and we live in an apartment with no furniture. At this point things start getting desperate, though I am still in my hight of school life and I still have my love, a job pops up in a wonderful state called South Carolina.

We move, great benifits, new job, excellent right? Well, for my parents. I lost everything, I lost her, I lost all my friends, I lost my clothes, I lost everything that kept me up, everything that mattered to me. I still kept in touch with the girl I loved, though, wait, my old best friend ended up being not so much of a friend and raper her. I can't do anything because i'm 3000 miles away, I spiral into a depression.

The depresseion causes me self woe to an extemity, I take up what I think its the best way of relieving myself, and thats drinking. Well, that didn't help obviously, drinking your life away just makes things worse. I had no friends down here, I had no life, I really had nothing to live for, my parents were never home, and the school system was less educational than taking a bath in monkey fecal matter. Atleast when you do that, you learn not to take another one. And other things got worse that i'm not obliged to talk about on this forum, but things got raelly bad, and lets say, I had a "Play on suicide" I never wanted to, but the "jump" thought was always there. The iea running across my head of "If I broke both my legs, would people notice?" kind of a deal.

Well push goes to shove, I asked myself one day after about a year of depression, a trip to a doctor and phycaitrist, zoloft, and other medications, "Why?"

Asking myself that, tore me out of my life of woe, and made me a new, better, stronger, faster person.

And here I am today, happy as ever. I have a girlfriend, I have decent grades at this god for saken school, and I have alot of friends. It just takes that extra leap, there is no need for attempted, or thinking of suicide.



And the things that I am not obliged to talk about on this forum, were very bad, so please don't ask about them.

Cheers-
-Cedar

P.S. - Just so you know, your not the only one who has experienced a mixed life, there are people who can relate. Just throw a message and whatnot and there is help. - to all the people who wish to cry out.

i would never want to end my life
people undergo hardships in life, and they need to stay strong in order to recover, we are only given one life to live, so we need to enjoy every second of every minute of every day.

*one of my friends sister commited suicide and it was one of the most unbearable experiences of my life. he would just be so down on himself constantly, saying that he should have stopped her. it was no one's fault, but it created a huge chain of sadness on anyone who knew them

*my friend had both his parents killed. they were in a car crash, and he was miserable everyday. i help him stay strong and he says that with the passing days, it becomes easier. He is the perfect example of how everyone should chose to live their lives. he had been thrown a very hard challenge, and he was able to recover

♥

If you commit suicide, it shows weakness of character, and if you are weak, you do not live up to Darwin's theory of evolution, therefore creating space in this world for those of us not willing to just give up our only chance because something negative happened.

This is such a depressing topic...

well this is a fine descussion but they way marvin nash describes it sickens me asking questions like "whiuth method would you use to do it?" io mean comeon thats not right. as far as suicide goes i think its terrible that peole feel so horrible that they think they only way out of it is to end youself

I have thought about it, but people would hate me if I did it.
I don't want to be remembered as the coward that couldnt handle life.
I probably won't make it to heaven, but if I did commit suicide, that's a one way trip to hell.

the way i see it, if you dont want to live, whatever the reason is, you could kill yourself.
i would never commit suicide, i have to much to live for. but i mean, people with shitty lives. i guess instead of waiting 60 years to die. you could just get it over with.
but yeah, depends on who you are.

I know I'm not the only one, and I still have a long path in front of me. It's just that often, I ask myself "Why do I bother?" and, in all fairness, I only have my school results to reassure myself. Let's not even talk about the reactions of some people on here
But... "No-one likes a smartass"

The ppl in here who say that suicide is selfish, U'R WRONG!Imagine how much u suffer if u think about suicide, ppl have to suffer a lot, that many that it drives them to suicide.After that, they can't say it to others cause of the typical reaction: 'ur emo-ur selfish-...'. Think about it, what can drive a person that far to kill themself!!It's the society that's crap, there's allmost nothing left of humanity, or what we call these days humanity... Those people who kill themself, yes, u could call it selfish because they leave ppl behind. But how selfish is it of u to FORCE someone to live?! People can always get up and pick life up again, but for some it's just impossible because of what they've been through. Dont say it's always possible to get up all the time. And suicide isn't cowardly, it's just a RESPONCE to the society of today. Don't u even dare it to call suicide selfish and cowardly ever. Those people who consider it are a reflection of the society, they need HELP, so LISTEN if they even give ANY sign that they think about suicide or if they automutilate... and this reply isn't an agree to suicide, no, it's a disagree of the responces and thoughts of people who kill theirselves or think about suicide...

It was mt_mega; he probably doesn't understand the concept of "feeling inexistent"...
As for what you said, I totally agree. But most of the time, people don't say anything; too scared of being harassed and ending up in the same result. It's fatalism, really...
What stopped me a few years ago was the thought "What about my sister and mother?"; if I had gone on and hanged myself, all my family would probably have followed. We're all 3 as shaken...

i dont really know what my opinion is on suicide, because to be honest, i dont think anyone can understand the feeling some people get when they dont want to live anymore, except those who have felt it. what i can say is though, that i really cant stand it when people judge those who try it, or consider it, because desperation and vulnerability are things that should be cared for, not harshly criticised by society
(sorry if this makes no sence)

I really disagree with suicide, but to me it's a proove that there's nothing left anymore of humanity. And i can't blame people of thinking and judging wrong, that's just how the society is.But ppl who think about suicide, they can't think clear because of everything they've been through. What they have to do, is find a way to think clear. To me, if i don't know anymore what i have to do, or the empty feeling that others describe, there's music. It makes me think clear. That's why music is so important to me. so those who are troubled, confused,..., find a way to think clear...that way is personal, it could be that u have to read, listen to music, play music, talk to others, watch tv,...It could be anything. Also others, ppl who died and u cared about a lot, they can give u strength. Think how they would think, if they would've been alive, and see what u would do. They would totally disagree suicide too. Also about the 'judging of suicide', be honest about it, it's not because if you EG: talk about suicide in the class, that when others say it's emo, or things like that, u have to agree with them. say what u really think, and don't hide urself behind the way of thinking of others.

To Becka: it does make sence and u'r right...

Ps: if there are some sentences that i've written wrong, tell me, i'm not english so i probably make mistakes...

The "judging of suicide" isn't what you think. Would you like to give out a distress beacon when the people around you will prey on it and make your life even worse? That's why I've shut my mouth about what happened, because I didn't want those bastards to make it even worse than it was, all through the 7 years of nightmare and the 2 tries.

okay, what i meant was that u don't have to think about suicide that it's emo and selfish,... because others say so or think so...In those cases, it's indeed better to shut ur mouth...i just meant that u don't have to say it's selfish,... because others do.

I think about it all the time, and I would definetly do it.

I want to do it right now, and I will if things don't get better soon.

I have thought of suicide but I've never thought of going through with it. You're just giving up your life and hurting your friends and family.

A perfect example is my friend who just killed themself on Wednesday. I just found out yesterday and I can't really do anything without crying. Sometimes people get so depressed that they feel lost or feel like no one loves them, but suicide isn't the right thing to do. You're not only throwing away your life, but affecting everyone who knew you.

I can understand why people who have experienced great traumas would want to end their life.
Whats the point of living if you can't go on with your normal life, right?
I went through something pretty traumatizing, and i'm not sure that i'll ever trust the human race as much as I used to.
I've never considered ending my life, though.

suicide is the dumbest thing ever, i dont care how bad your life is. you are just running from your problems. You are not willing to grow some balls and face them and control them. People that think about killing them selves just piss me off. so dont do it,its so stupid.

This one time, This kid at my school killed himself. He asked the teacher to go to the bathroom and he never came back. They found him dead in the bathroom stall with a thick cut in the middle of his writs. The cut was about 1 inch deep. They later found a note saying that he loved his parents and he couldnt take all the pressure. It was a sad day in our school.

I feel ike doing that to myself a lot i hate my life

i would never kill myself, i have too much to live for! i love life, and i love MY life!

It wowuld suck to die but yeai feel really bed most of my life

I've often though about what people would do if I just didn't exist anymore. Would they happier, sadder,richer, poorer? Theres been about ten or eleven times I've thought "I'll do it, everybody will be better off" but I can't. I have no idea why, but I can't.

because your needed in this world...thats why...





about two or three years ago i put a knife to my wrists and cut myself.....and then when i was upset i'd rub the cut and that'd make it hurt and sting more.....

i've never told a single sole that. ever.


i've grown up since then and realized theres more to life....i've realized that everyone is needed in this world and everyone is awesome, the only fact is, is that most people cant see how amazing they are.