What are your thoughts on euthanasia?
I agree with it, but I also understand all the complications involved, so I think it should only be performed in hospitals when the person is terminally ill or in great pain for a long time and that they have to talk to family and a doctor, or something along those lines, they have to sign something tell lots of people individually they want to do it, including the police, and then finally do it themselves(all of this if they are capable). I think that people should also have something that they sign before an operation(or just in general) saying that if they go in to a coma for a certain amount of time then turn the machine off.

I just think that if someone wants to die then they should be aloowed to die legally without waiting for time to take it's course. Also, if someone is in a vegetative state and it would be best to put them out of their misery then it should be done.

I totally agree with yew

abowt a month agoi had a debate about euthanasia with alan_2k7 in english. his argument was tht murderurs woold use it to their advantage if it was made legal. bt if it was made legal then it would only be doctors or medical professionals would be alowed to do it .

if terminaly ill people are in lots of pain then why shouldnt they be allowed to die if it cant be subdued with painkillers?

Its a really big topic in philosophy...if your a utilitarianist its not good right as you may satify your wants but others you leave behind may be upset...

But im not a utilitarianist and i think its a good thing, its not suicide!

Sometimes it can be better for the people you 'leave behind'.
I'd rather a family member be at peace then in immense amounts of pain an sadness - It'd be so much easier to deal with as well.
I'm not religious, but I think anyone who believes in heaven(I don't) would agree - because they're apparently going to a better place. That's why I don't understand people who seriously believe they'll go to heaven are afraid of death, but that's probably for a different topic.

I agree. I would want people close to me to remember me as what I was like my whole life, but a terrible, lingering illness that's sure to kill you will obscure some of the better memories. When they think of you after you die, they would think first of how you died rather than how you lived.


Yes, it is. Instigating your own death in any manner is suicide.

I support the right to die, but there are major legal ramifications to allowing it. How sick is sick enough? Why should we keep some people from dying and not others? There needs to be a line somewhere, and it's going to be very difficult, if not impossible, to draw.

Utilitarism vs. Ultraliberalism, the great fight!

I completely agree, although it's more assissted suicide then just complete suicide(which I don't think should be illegal either), but I think it could just be brought in to stop people having a slow and agonising death or if someone is just going to be in a coma all their life.
It is a big issue and even if it's legally brought in there will still be lots of debates and legal issues regarding it and it's a very sketchy subject.

I don't really like the idea of euthanasia. Even though I can see why a person would want it, if they were in a significant amount of pain. But if they only seek it out as a release from dealing with the troubles that will plague them after they heal, and not just from bodily pain, then I say don't give it to them.

What's the deal on euthanasia anyway? Do nurses/doctors have to give it to the people if they request it?

No, it's illegal, I think - pretty sure it is in the Uk anyway.

Totally agreed

Keeping someone alive, even if we know he's gonna stay at the vegetable state for all is life, costs a lot of money.
So basically, it would save money.
The thing is, most people who go into a coma, well, it's not before an operation, and they can't predict the consequences of the accident, anywho, if it ever happens to me, I'm gonna be glad I'll be surrounded with people that I know I can count on, and hopefully they'll make the right choice.

It's not suicide. the thought behind it is different, in some way u could call it suicide because u choose to die, but euthanasia isn' the same. i think that almost nobody in here would want it to suffer a lot, cause u'r sick and u have cancer or some other nasty diseases. in those cases,i would agree to euthanasia and i wouldn't see it as suicide. it's not that they are depressive etc...suicide is just not the same as euthanasia...

HI

Great input there, youre totally right!

But can someone tell me what "Euthanasia" is? I've never heard of it and I want to be part of this discussion.

When someone wishes, to die, and they recieve assisted suicide.

I'm personally pro-euthanasia.

Oh ok. Hmm, thats a good argument...

I think I'd have to be for it, 'cause its their life right? So let them do what they want.

This topic, euthanasia, just comes back to the general argument of pro-life vs pro-choice (in my opinion). I tend to be pro-choice, to a certain degree. So like most people said, I'm for it, but there has to be restrictions--which is the toughest part. Who's going to come up with the rules and qualifications for this? Not everyone will agree during this process and that's where the trouble really starts.

HI? What the fuck?!? You must've been high to post something like that - what a dick.


Well, that's what it is - same as abortion. If you're for abortion, then you'll be for euthanasia - that's just how it goes really, because they're basically the same concept.

It's suicide.

Im not NOT for it, but it's suicide.

No, it's not NOT suicide - it is IS euthanasia. It can be classed as 'assissted' suicide, but if you want to die - you should be allowed to. who is anyone to denie someone else to end their own life anyway?

ummm.....I think God is.

AAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!
Even if God did actually exist that would still be hilarious - thanks for making my day, seriously.

correct me if i'm wrong, but i'm pretty sure one of the biggest problems behind euthanasia is that many of the people who are, for lack of a better term, "victims" of it, they are in a state where they may not be able to make the decision of if they want to live or die... or they may want to live but can't express this. also, some of the ways in which euthanasia has been performed: ie Terri Schiavo's case where she was starved to death - not allowed to have any food or water for several weeks until she died - it was considered "humane" which is bullshit because starving to death is NOT a plesant or quick way to go.

Euthanasia was the nazi murders of handicapped and mentally ill people.

I am against all of it.

Time for some circular logic: even if you were the victim of a very nasty disease which made you wither and that you knew the rest of your existence would be hell incarnate?

That's the only circumstance where I would be in favour of euthanasia: lost-cause medical scenarios

i think its completely wrong the thought of it disgusts me i meen come on like really u wanna kill your gran parents or even maybe ur parents if not then think all it is is killing some one else to save u money gosh the world is screwed up these days and seriously if u think im wrong post me a complement ok and we'll have a lil chat!

p.s. u guys that think its a good idea u disgust me!


your completely right euthanasia is completely wrong grose sickning and really really a bad idea thats saying hey look we want money cuz were all so dang selfish so lets just kill old people and take all there money u guys r nasty lil selfish total disgusting ewwww!

Please avoid senseless, poorly-spelled, punctuationless rants with no factual basis. Saying "ewwww" doesn't really advance your case any.

Euthanasia...let's see...

If you want to die, I think you have the right to. If you do not, nobody is responsible for keeping you alive. I'm not morally obligated to keep another person alive just because they don't want to die. If I can save them, sure, but terminal cases with no hope? Sorry.

For insane people or people incapable of making and/or expressing the decision, it becomes tougher. Honestly, there is no definite answer, because every case is different.

no one has the right to take ur life but god cuz he gave it to u not even u have the right u guys r just nast killing peeps that maybe dont even have the ability to say they want to live and just assuming they want to die wierdos u are disgusting ok and one thing i learned is that assuming makes ans ass of u and me!

i think the hardest part about lost cause medical scenarios is that you sometimes can't communicate with the person... that's what makes it so hard, cause sure the person might want to die, but they also might want to live... and it seems more cruel in a sense to let them suffer for weeks or months rather than just letting them die quickly and less painfully... but like i said, its hard to know. i do think that if someone is a lost cause and CAN communicate and wants to go, i dont think there's anything wrong with it honestly.

There was a very good french book on the subject; L'ultime secret, by Bernard Werber. In it, one person finds himself totally paralized, except for his left eyelid, because of a car accident...and he does manage to say he wants to live on.

Here is what I think you meant to say:

I will reply to this version, because it actually consists of sentences and thus can be disagreed with. Disagreeing with the previous post would be like disagreeing with "Purple banister barrister cod angry ass you can't not no you can't eat 50 eggs yes you can no you can't Ima kill you." You can't disagree with it, just the sentiment behind it.

Firstly: if God gave the life to you, you can do with it as you please. It is yours. However, the more theologically sound idea would be that your life belongs to God and he gave you free will.

Secondly: We are not all nasty killers. Many people, some with better grammar, agree with you. The people you agree with are not particularly cruel, just pragmatic. Some even think death is the compassionate thing to give someone. Don't foist your poorly thought out morals upon others.

Thirdly: People unable to communicate their wishes is a worst-case scenario. These are poor things to base decisions on. Do you vote based on which presidential candidate has the best alien invasion defense plan? Worry about the people who can communicate and wish to die. That's the main subject of disagreement here.

Fourthly: Expressing a reasonable conclusion withing moral boundaries is never disgusting. Don't insult people for being honest, for they can surely find faults with you as well.

OMG.
Unconcious more than a year.
Yank that fcking plug and don't look back.
num say?
I don't care if you and the person have memories
that person is a veggie!
pick a box, drop it and cover it in dirt.
Done.

OMG.
Unconcious more than a year.
Yank that fcking plug and don't look back.
num say?
I don't care if you and the person have memories
that person is a veggie!
pick a box, drop it and cover it in dirt.
Done.

OMG.
Unconcious more than a year.
Yank that fcking plug and don't look back.
num say?
I don't care if you and the person have memories
that person is a veggie!
pick a box, drop it and cover it in dirt.
Done.

hahahah.
sure.

ok, i get where the majority of you are comiung from.
maybe not that mentally retarted fellow, ilvuian?
But, mmmmmmmmmaaaaaaaaybbbbbe.
I just like yanking plugs
Know what im saying?

lmao. have i ever mentioned before that i love you? sorry i'm done being a creep now haha

I heard in the States it is legal... somewhat... They take you off your feeding tube or your oxygen tube and let you die that way... I remember that Terry Shivo case a few years ago where she was in a vegitative state for year's, only alive because of life support took her off and lived for 40 days.




How are you to say there isn't a god? You can't proove there is, or that there is not? I'm assuming that your reason for beleiving there is no god because how could he let such catastrophic things go on in the world?

Love you too. I just watched Cool Hand Luke and it got me all weirded out.
Having a stalker makes me feel important.


There's a thread for this. Please keep it there.

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AAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!
Even if God did actually exist that would still be hilarious - thanks for making my day, seriously.
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How are you to say there isn't a god? You can't proove there is, or that there is not? I'm assuming that your reason for beleiving there is no god because how could he let such catastrophic things go on in the world?
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If you mean who am I, not 'how', well who is anyone to say there is or isn't? Why don't you say that to the people who have brought up 'God' in this thread and then go on to the thread about 'God' and have a ball telling off all the naughty children who believe or don't - but what other option is there, really?
Oh, and the second question you asked me should have been a statement or re-worded.

i mean if its a person wish, then i think its their choice. i'd rather be dead than be in extreme pain knowing im going to die anyway.

but if your the the one who performs it. well, good luckl explaining that to the judge..
indeed, you'll most likely get arrested for manslaughter.

For everyone who says you don't have a right to take your life because it's god-given...well that just makes no sense. You're saying god gave it to you, aka you can do what you like with it. And I don't see why people are against euthanasia. I would much, MUCH rather be dead than in pain for no reason for a long time. People should be able to state in their will that they want to be euthanized if they are in a coma for x amount of time.

If I, or someone I know, was in extreme pain for a long time and it was going to get worse and I had done nothing to deserve it, and I actually believed in God I'd think "fuck God! He did this, he's a harsh bastard - what reason do I have to follow his will now?"
I'm pretty sure most people would feel that way, if not - you'd have to be quite insane.

If the person is in pain and can't stop it themselves then i think it's their decision whether they want someone to help end their life.

Living wills exist. You can tell them to keep you alive no matter what; to try to save you, but if they can't, let you go; or, to just let you die. I'm pretty sure you can designate someone to be responsible for you and to speak for you if you can't do it (and don't state in a living will what you want the doctors to do).

I'm kindof unsure. I think people should be able to decide if they want to die, but it is suicide. And if someone was going to commit suicide we'd stop them.

I think I'm the same as anima. Only when it's medical and there's nothing anyone can do.

Well if they are suffering then they shouldn't take there lives,but offer the suffering up to God, Oh and if your wondering killing is wrong in any case, and i'm sure you would what to die in that case

Don't say that people should offer their suffering up to God. That is some church bull because it does not solve real problems like cancer. I would say that euthanasia is acceptable in dead end situations. Take Terry Schaivo for example. Even if some retards thought they saw her smile or something, proven fact from scientific machinery proved that she was brain dead. There was nothing left but a vegetable. If someone is in extreme pain that will not subside and has a medical proof to it, then they should be allowed a peaceful release. And for the most part, hospitals actually do some of this on their own by increasing morphine levels till the patient is so comfortable but dies as a result. However, there must be an extremely fine line for what is acceptable. If some things are included in that acceptability, then they could degrade that line and lower the level of suffering at which euthanasia is okay. It must always be a last ditch thing because otherwise it would degrade the meaning of life altogether.

But, if you do offer it up to God, you get special graces. If God wants you alive, you stay alive, if God wants you to be in Heaven with Him, he'll take you.

Simple as that.

But, didn't they starve Terry Schaivo?

Sometimes but it is RARE, the church syas euthanasia is acceptable like in Terry's case, i guess she was a vegetable, and there was nothing left..hmm, but that brings you back to the whole picture of God not wanting you in Heaven yet (meaning your still alive on Earth).

And what exactly does that mean?


So what's the meaning of life? And how do we 'degrade' it?

I don't mean the "meaning of life" in that sense. Perhaps it would have been better for me to say the importance of life. And by degrading it I mean that giving up on life could start to apply to less and less drastic things if euthanasia isn't kept strictly to dead end situations.

I think (like most people on here) that it's ok if they're dying and don't want to live, but it can't become like an everyday thing, it's got to be only for exceptional cases. Whatever you think about who should have it or not though, it would be the family's decision, and seeing as everyone is different and has different circumstances, I don't think you can really generalise it.