Should marijuana be legalized? Should states be allowed to make thier own legalization laws? (California)

Against. Come on, why'd you wanna get crazy? Although I suppose there are people who find that fun...

I dont see why its not legal and Alcohol is lol. like no1 dies from smoking weed a year but like thousands die from drinking

legalize it, not only is it awesome but it cures peoples problems. seriously. an if cigarettes are legal why cant weed be?

im sure everyone here is gonna agree that it should be. it would be cool if it was cuz then we could have grow operations without being afraid of getting in shit. plus like people have said, its solves problems and cigarettes are legal...it all makes sense

As a wise man, Bob Marley, once said;

"Give me the food and let me grow;
Let the Roots Man take a blow.
I must say: all them - all them drugs gonna make you slow;
It's not the music of the ghetto.

We gonna be burning and a-looting tonight;
(To survive, yeah!)
Burning and a-looting tonight;
(Save your baby lives)
Burning all pollution tonight;
(Pollution, yeah, yeah!)
Burning all illusion tonight
(Lord-a, Lord-a, Lord-a, Lord!)"

maybe alchohol should be illegal, weed makes people stupid, so does alchohol, stupid people who are wasted kill people, weed and alchohol do it.

BAN IT ALL!!! >_<

Against

If you're gonna have an argument, make it logical and understandable. I'm for it because the prohibition of it originally was quite asinine.

Legalization, FTW!

They are voting in nevada to legalize and regulate it like alcohol and tobacco.

Its only a matter of time before its legal again. Yes, I said again. It was legal for thousands and thousands of years. Its legal in a lot of places too already, like amsterdamn and parts of spain.

Weed doesn't make you stupid. People who say that, are usually dumbasses. For example, today during class then we were talkin' 'bout this and some 19 year old (i'm in highschool) said "Let people do drugs, that'll weed out the stupid ones" and I was like "Drugs don't make people stupid and I'll accomplish a lot more in my life than you ever will, I already am by being on schedule to graduate, your what, 19 and sitll in highschool?" and he won't graduate till next year either, he'll be 20 in highschool. I plan on college when I'm that old.

Legalize it. As people have said, if alcohol and cigarettes are legal, weed should be too. Even if you don't smoke it, it will most definitely help the economy. And there would be a lot less money spent on keeping drug dealers out of the country/in prison if it was sold legally.

Yeahhh, thats another point.

It cost a lot more to put a pothead in jail then it does to have one live on your couch.

The war on drugs is like, a 10billion dollar a year war that is losing. I can get weed easier than I can get cigarettes, alcohol, lighters, etc. because drug dealers don't check IDs. I could probably get crack easier too, but I don't fuck with that.

Another thing is, 98% of all the weed erradicated by the government is fucking ditch weed. So they are using our tax money to pull weeds out of the goddamn ground.

If they did legalize it, they would probably put a law on how much chemicals you can put into your own home grown shit. And other stupid laws of that nature.

Yes. It will be legalized as soon as they(government) figures out how to tax it.

It'd be easy to tax it. As long as its cheaper than what dealers sell, people will buy it from the store and pay tax. I mean, hell yeah I'd pay 53.78 for an ounce of dank instead of 300 bucks.

Back in the '30s though it was 100 bucks of tax per pound, people got fed up and grew it themselves.

Ya'll are all dumb. It should be legal only for the fact that everybody should be free to do what they want, so long as it does not infringe on anybody else's freedom.

And by the way, Weed CAN weed out the stupid people. (no pun intended). Weed WILL make you stupid, and if you are so stupid beforehand that you for some reason neglect to have a sitter, this stupidity can cause your death because of something silly like "I thought I could fly."

A part of me is fascist and thinks it should remain legal just to piss all ya'll off.

...AHAHAHAHAHa, holy shit are you fucking retarded?

You are thinking of acid bro, its called a fucking trip sitter. And weed doesn't make you trip. Jesus kid, you obviously know shit about cannabis, so don't act like you do.

You mean legal or illegal? cause "a part of me is fascist and thinks it should remain legal just to piss all ya'll off" makes no sense, since it isn't legal to begin with.

Heh...your definitely from the south. Your ignorance is showing.

Dude, a friend of mine thought he was falling off the Earth.

That of course, negates the FACTS.

Immediate Cognitive affects of Weed are:


* Short or long-term psychosis/schizophrenic disorders in some young users
* Varying amounts of paranoia and anxiety in some users
* Loss of coordination and distorted sense of time in some users
* Impairment of short-term memory in some users
* Auditory or visual hallucinations at high doses in some users
* Increased mental activity, like metacognition and introspective or meditative states of mind in some users
* Relaxation or stress reduction in some users
* Mild entheogenesis (e.g. per Rastafarian users, more "Jah-Vibrations") in some users

This of course ignores all the physical affects, and behavioural affects. Just a few of these can kill you.




You are right. My mistake.



And what are you? A fucking northerner? No dammyankee knows anything about anything.

It is not like you were right about anything you just said, other than my mistake.

Notice how everything you apparently posted from a website ended with "...in some users."? Yeah, the side-effects of cannabis vary greatly depending on hundreds of factors. If you need a sitter to smoke weed, then your friend just might want to quit because I've never heard of someone needing a sitter just to smoke weed, that's unneccessary. Falling off the Earth? Then he was probably stupid in the first place before he began smoking.

I like how you pulled these 'facts' out of your ass. Much like the government does with statistics.

Coordination? No, sense of time? Yeah.

Hallucinations, FUCK NO NONONONONO. JESUS FUCK. I hate that! Its not a hallucinagen! Jesus fuck when will you people learn. I don't care how much fucking weed you smoke. Some people smoke a fucking quarter in a single session, you dont fucking hallucinate I don't care what the fuck you say!

And your friend is the kind of jackass who claims he was oh so high. I hate n00bs like that. "Oh man I'm so high I feel like (insert insane statement here)"


And yeah, I'm a yankee. We won the war buddy! Get over it Seriously, fuck your confederate flag, move the fuck on. Have american pride, not southern pride. Assholes like you divide the country.

It already legal over here (Holland) and i think thats the way to go. Its legal, tolerated and not an issue. Because its legal the government can track it and have at least some control over it. And just because its legal here doesnt mean we are all podheads...as a matter of fact, because its not such a taboo, people tend to not use.

This is ridiculous, first of the "some users" part (already mentioned) And also all of these effects could be compared to a lot of drugs, ibprofen, caffiene, alcohol, meth, asprin, there are of course many people that will react differently obviously.

And if you need a sitter to smoke pot, than simple enough: don't do it. Thats just stupid, I've read about people that have schitzophrenic episodes while smoking weed, and you know what they did? Stopped smoking. Its quite simple.

Yeah, its called not issuing blanket statements and assuming everybody reacts the same way dumbshit.



I do not care what YOU have heard. I have. Fuck your stupid anecdotal evidence and blanket statements. Try facts. Anecdotal evidence only works if you are debunking blanket statements.



Judging that they guy was like, smarter than I am, and I am WAY smarter than you are...I doubt it.



You mean how the government NEVER makes up statistics?

Here, let me cite some sources. You need only ask.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3561-1565337,00.html

http://www.guide4living.com/drugabuse/cannabis-effects.htm

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/PEOPLE/INJURY/res...gs/cannabis.htm

http://www.brown.edu/Student_Services/Heal...d/marijuana.htm

http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/sym/hallucinations.htm



This is you going "Nuh-uh" in a big stupid way. Ever heard of proof? Yeah, how about you try it, instead of shitting out your mouth.



You know nothing about him you stupid fuck. The fact that he exists proves your retarded blanket statement false.



Assholes like your ancestors kept this country divided. No divided country if we succeeded.




But this does not have anything to do with anything. We are not talking about caffeine or alcohol, or aspirin.



It works so well with drinking right!

Never mind the addictive affects of alcohol, some people are simply stupid and kill themselves off of it. Which was my point dumbass.

All of these are from 2005 besides the 3rd, and the 5th one is an information page on hallucinations, though it links to marijuana intoxication. A lot of 2005 articles/news items are basically completely outdated now, especially because some are from Jan. 2005, making them nearly 2 years old now

So before this thread gets drawn into a pointless argument, your original point was that some people are simply stupid and will kill themselves with marijuana regardless, but it should still be legalized?
If that is the case I don't think anyone could argue against that, people will find a way to be stupid and kill themselves with just about any substance said to have recreational effects.
There was no need to call me a dumbass though considering we agree on the topic anyways...

That is like saying my aspirin affects information is outdated. Prove me wrong then. Find something in a recent medical journal or news source that highlights a new discovery that contradicts these sources. THIS is why you are a dumbass.



But it is so much more fun. Besides, you WERE being dumb. Nobody cares about caffeine or alcohol or aspirin. We care about weed here.



Our local drug dumbshit Frivolous248 disagrees. People like him are the reason people want to keep these things illegal. If such stupid people are in favour, something must be wrong.

legalize it.
i see nothing wrong with it..it's not like you can O'D on weed..

marijuana does a wide range of things. ur friend probably thought he was falling off the earth because his head was spinning. marijuana is a depressant because it slows your body. it does increase your blood pressure and pulse which are symptoms of stimulants, but that doesn't have anything to do with falling off the earth. its also a is sort of a hallucinogen, because instead of givving u hallucination, it actually results in changinging levels in conciousness rather than actual hallucinations.

i say legalize it. marijuana does have medical uses, just like most drugs out there, although they haven't been used for these medical reasons in a long time.

I'm against drugs, alcohol, smoking and everything that harms your body. If marijuana is legalized, we'll be seeing a hell lot more crazy ppl on the streets

If alcohol is legal...why NOT weed.

Alcohol kills more people each year.

A drunk guy goes home and beats his wife, a stoner goes home and its a microwaved burrito at 3 am.

Legalize! LEGALIZE! Mexico is doing it and all these other places, it WILL be legal soon, mabye not in large copious amounts, but hell, if any amount is legal i will praise the lordy

Theres not really much to prove wrong douche, most of the information there is fairly current and for the most part accurate. Some of it may seem misleading, for instance the one suggesting that marijuana be moved back to a class B from class C, thus making it an arrestable offense, because of a possible interaction with a gene, that affects 15% of teenage smokers, in 3% of the population in the UK Either way theres really nothing to prove wrong, there is more information to add, however...

"Gateway drug"
Cannabis vs. Cigarettes
UK_lords report
Health Concerns

And as to why I mentioned asprin and whatnot, I was just pointing out that for any given drug, there will be those that react radically differently than others. I was just clarifying.



A law has nothing to do with weather or not you are for or against drugs, and if marijuana would be legalized why would we see " a hell lot more crazy ppl on the streets"?

You have a point there. I guess I didn't think before I posted. I feel so stupid now...

crazy people on the street? you cant prevent that from happening, Marijuana or not. Just because it legalized doesnt mean everyone is gonna use it. You can be against it and decide not to use it. But im for letting people make that decision for themselves.

After he was done being retarded and high, he was telling me how he did not really see the earth upside down or anything like that, and everything was fine, he was just filled with this horrible fear that if he let go of the grass (he was kneeling and holding on at the time) he would fall off, despite like...nothing really telling him that was so. I personally believe that it was just caused by random factors like higher blood pressure, lower oxygen and such just made him scared. Why 'falling off the earth" I do not know, but whatever.



There is a documented case of it happening. But it is most likely false.



But you said they were "completely outdated."



These sources where only to prove affects. I did not put them here to advance any sort of law.



I already know all this. Why do you think I never mentioned things like "Weed is a gateway drug!" or "Weed is worse than tobacco!"



Although, there are cases of weed users resorting to heroin. The one I am thinking of only happened because that "war on drugs" deal. The local weed suppliers were all arrested, but not the heroin suppliers, leading to more heroin use among the weed users. Not that that matters, but still.

There is no such thing as a gateway drug...its a persons choice wether they move onto other ones.

true.. i dont really think we need anymore crazy ppl than there already are.

Mexico isn't legalizing it anytime soon, the U.S. government was against it so the bill was shot down because people could simply cross the border and get it cheap, making it easy to import.


However both of your posts are stupid, atleast Lukero admitted it.

honestly, I couldn't care less, I don't smoke it.
But I'm sure a lot of people would be "happy" if it was legalized.

Ya, I could care less, As long as i'm still drinkin booze its all good

who here thinks it will be legalized?

*cough*wtf?*cough*

I think it should be legalized... umm, hello didn't we learn something from the prohibition? YOU CANNOT INSTILL MORALS INTO A COUNTRY.... why do you think they repealed the 18th amendment?

And yes I know that alcohol has nothing to do with this, just trying to prove a point : it's a reverse psychology (damn can't spell...) thing.... and the more you restrict a people, the more they can and will rebel.

does it really matter if its legalized or not?? people are still gonna use it anyways.

In Amsterdam, it legal(nno shit)

and acutally more people dont use it there, BECAUSE its illegal. I think many people here like the rush of going out and buying it then smoking it, and not getting caught, knowing that they could go to jail

What the hell are you trying to point out? You said it's legal there which everyone knows, and then you said something redudant by saying it was illegal. What the hell are you talking about?

He means, its legal in amsterdam, and less people do it there because its legal, where as more people do it HERE cause its illegal HERE (america).

If USA legalized it, use would go down. I can get weed easier than lighters, papers, alcohol, and anything with an age restriction. If it were illegal, I'd have a harder time getting it. I think I'd still find a way though, but I'm sure many people would be like "fuck it" and just not really bother anymore. I don't do it cause of the "rush" in fact I hate the thought of getting caught. One of the BIGGEST fucking buzzkills, bein' paranoid sucks.

But it currently is illegal right? And you find it easier to get it because its illegal?

Yes. Like I said, drug dealers don't check IDs, it would only be easier to get for people of age. And I'm not of age, cause I assume there would be an age restriction.

I've always been able to get weed easier than alcohol, cause I'm not 21, and don't hang out with 21 year olds.

why do you think ghundi opposed britain, cause it was the rebellious bad ass thing to do. This is the same situation.

What the fuck are you talking about?

...hahaha, someone was high when they posted that.