Isn't the point of Christianity to make other people convert to it? I haven't met one Christian or Catholic who respects some one else's religon. The only reason most of us non christians a (or catholics) post about our religion, is because the christians start saying "you're wrong." If you want to deffend Christianity then prove that it is true an dstuff like that.

We may disagree with what you believe, but it is an unfair representation of our faith, because we respect other religions. In fact, the point of our religion is to accept people of all kinds of different backgrounds (that includes religion). Also, our religion is based on faith, so if you are expecting an explanation of our faith using mostly facts, that's not what you will get.

Ok, I completely respect that, but could you please explain the whole thing about if you don't beiliev in the christian god then you will be in jail? That has always bothered me, God is supposed to be soooooooooo nice but if you don't beilieve in him then you must suffer eternal death and pain.

(applause)

couldn't have said it any better


that is not true at all. just because you don't believe in him doesn't mean you will go to hell and suffer pain. as long as you don't commit a deadly sin or disgrace him, you should have a nice, long, enjoyable afterlife.

What? If I don't believe in God, I'll die an Atheist with no place to go? My classmate told me that...okay....

are you saying you believe your friend or believe me??

You are the first person who said that. I have to admit Kingofcolorado and Latino Heart are very respectful of me and toreen, the atheists.

You have that one wrong. In christianity you have to believe in God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. You have to accept Jesus as your savior. The nicest, most charitable person in the world could be an athiest/other religion and still go to hell.

Christianity just means that you believe in Jesus. That you believe he was God's son and that he offered a way for you to be with God. There are lots of different kinds of Christianity...Catholics are Christians. Protestants are Christians. Baptists are Christians. Anyone who believes in Jesus is a Christian.

I am a Christian, I believe in Jesus. I was a Catholic, but I switched over to a more protestant church because it fit me better.

And it is true that there are many christians who believe that everyone needs to believe in Jesus, and only when they do that will they be admitted into heaven. I have a hard time believing that. God is gracious and compassionate, he wants as many of his people to come to him as possible...he sent Jesus to earth to give us an easy way to be with Him, yes. But...I can't see God not giving people a second chance/back door.

I mean, Other religions have different Higher Powers that they believe in...could it not just be cultural differences? God was called different things in the bible, maybe he has earthly different names too. Many people believe in some sort of Higher Power and they call them different names. Maybe God is just one name for him...I mean, they all serve Good, do they not?

And anyways, before Jesus was sent to earth, how did all the other people get to heaven? Because technically before Jesus there was no 'saviour' but there's no way all those people in the old testament went to hell.

-sigh-
I guess I won't know for sure until I've died. hehe

Well, I don't beilive in God, does that mean i will go to hell? Is there any proof? Isn't Jesus the first person that came up with the idea of hell and heaven? Everyone just took what Jesus said and started making the idea of hell scarier and the idea of heaven more perfect.

Asking if you will go to hell if you don't believe in God, you will get a different answer from different people. If you ask this question to a christian, then yes. To an atheist, they will say no because it doesn't exist. Different religions have different beliefs. some don't believe in hell, or just believe hell isn't a permanent place. No one knows whos religion (or lack there of) is right.

there is only one answer

religion is the most powerful weapon to manipulate and control people
look at the crusades, the religion wars, the political repercussions.
Kings used religion as an argument to go to war, when it actually came to money and power
now, so many people are slaves, following and believing in things that don't exist
this goes for every religion: there is no god and no afterlife, those are concepts and stories created by humans to have control, to keep people ignorant and calm. It's a good thing! But we live in the year 2007, modern times, you can let go of fiction now, and live your life in reality

that is not true at all. just because you don't believe in him doesn't mean you will go to hell and suffer pain. as long as you don't commit a deadly sin or disgrace him, you should have a nice, long, enjoyable afterlife.
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WHAT!? If you don't belive in jesus christ as God's son you will not have a nice, long, enjoyable afterlife.. whatever you do or not do... the only way to have a nice, long, enjoyable afterlife (in heaven) is trough Jesus Christ...

although some christians are intolerant of other people's cultures, others are not!

I'm a strange mix which no-one's ever really come across, and respect a higher being known as god in some religions. I believbe that he loves all people, even those that do not believe in him by his preferred name.

also, what if there is something above god...and something above that?

I would like to have a long-enjoyable afterlife, but if not...so be it

live life to the full people!

exactly.... i agree with both of those

this is what my friend said to me:

that would be good but it will never happen....

To give people hope.

That is incorrect. I am not one to say what God will do, but we are told that He would accept an atheist who lived a good life and was not educated about God over a Christian who lived a horrible life and did not repent. I do not remember exactly what would happen to an atheist who lived a good life but chose not to believe in God, but they have as good a chance as anyone, as we cannot judge. But I think they would have a better chance then the second option I put in. But like I said, I'm not one to judge.

What kind of church do you go to? I go to a baptist church and they don't tell us that. Im not denying what you said.

Catholic.

I go to a Christian Church and they don't teach me that either...

thats not true at all. that is completely wrong. God loves everyone. the last thing on his mind is condeming people. we CANT save ourselves. If we could, then why would jesus die for us?

Ohh sorry
I didn't read the whole thing. Yeah that is true.
We can't save ourselves from our sins, but we can save ourselves from falling into the depths of this world.

Actually, we can only make the choice NOT to fall into the depts. everybodys weak. everybody gets broken. You need God to protect u from falling away. Remember Peter?

i know that is what i said. We can save ourselves and choose NOT to fall to the bottomless pit that is THE WORLD.

finally. ur cool kingofcolorado. its hard here, everybody tries to destroy ur faith. and reading all that fake stuff can sort start to lead u away. but im determined to help people

well you can help people in a different way.
You can physically help people, instead of giving them false hope by convincing them to believe in something imaginary, that will not help you. You can be a humanitarian, a member of the hundreds of organizations that really help people with their problems. If a kid is molested by his dad, then he has to find help in the social services, not by praying...
Although religion is a good thing (most of the time, it has created a lot of superfluous wars...), I find it to be my task to remember people that religion is culture, and has nothing to do with history, astronomy, geology, and so on, that it provides good examples, a moral, lessons in life. But it are concepts and tales created by us, without a link to reality

thanks...


This is what tytyty99 was talking about. At least we, as Christian, respect other peoples' beliefs.

Well, actually is really true, I never knew a christian that didn´t want to convert me into them !!!!

I mean, I respect all religions but I don´t like any other than mine. If I talk to a christian I won´t talk about religion and that´s it about it, if he wants to believe in that is his problem, also, my mother is a wiccan and I consider them one of the worse and more stupid religions ever, but I respect her, I will never try to convert her into my religion, but it´s incredible cuz my christian grandmother is always asking me to convert into christianism and blah...

Anyway... got angry just typing !

You're not trying to help people, you come into the forum spreading your sudo-religious bullshit! No one is trying to destroy your religion, no one can take that away from you, so shut the fuck up. Just because someone may try and disprove your religion, or state a belief that varies from your own mainstream views, that doesn't give you any sort of position to try and be the cyber-missionary and try to convert the heathens. I could say God is a false idol, and when you die, you are not granted access to the afterlife, you simply begin to decay. I am not wrong. You do not know, hence you cannot disprove me. Don't back up kingofcolorado either - he's a fucking NOTD. You can post your beliefs, but that doesn't make anyone else wrong for having a different opinion.

By the way, Jesus hates you for your horrible grammar. Either get out of Religion class and go to English or download fucking Mozilla.

By the looks of this thread, the Christians are much more respectful than the atheists. No, Torreen and Snowleppard are respectful, but this guy is just an ass. He is the perfect example of an overzealous atheist.

Okay, some of you guys here are trying to sum up ALL Christians, not every Christian is the same. Nearly all the Christians I know, including myself, respect other religions. I have friends who are Muslims, Jews and Catholics. Everyone is the same but with different faiths.

Doesn't that make them different?

O yes, by giving valid and logical arguments based on facts, I'm an ass
what are you doing here? Judging others who, unlike you, contribute to this thread?

Oh, yes, because he doesn't suggest that there is only one answer like yourself. If he did that, he would be contributing SO much to this thread...


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Oh yes, I give only one answer, but it's not an opinion. So you think facts are opinions? So it's an opinion that the Earth is a sphere?
I give one answer, but it's the one with the highest probability. well reality actually
I have the advantage here, because YOU and other Christians have still not managed to prove the existence of a God...

Maybe that's because it's a FACT that our religion is based on faith. Believe what you will, but respect our beliefs.

I have said it before, I respect everyone's belief (well except creationists hah)
So you admit that you can never prove his existence, because he doesn't exist but in your mind... (and that's what it is, only in the minds of people)
if the world would be built on faith, I don't think we would be where we are now, pal...

I don't know about her, but I do admit that we can't prove his existence. However, he is not just in People's minds. If you accept God into you, everyhting you do will be of God. He is present throughout your body and you become like him. (At least if you are a TRUE Christian you will..)

1. I'm a guy.
2. Thank you for countering daren cole's bullshit.

I fail to see how you can say you respect others beliefs when you tell us that God is a figment of our imagination. That's called being a hypocrite, "pal".

Oh yeah!

3. Don't call me "pal". Got it?

1. I can call you whatever I want, dude, it's a free world
2. can't handle the truth? God is in everyone's imagination, he exists in the collective memory of people, but not outside it. We have turned the tables in the course of history: we created him and the story around him, we forgot that we made that tale, and now more than a billion people are part of mass hystery; they really think god is the source of all we see. That's called being a moron

bwahahahahahaha i hate it when he calls me "pal" too


OKAY. THAT IS CALLED NOT RESPECTING OTHER PEOPLES' RELIGION, PAL. YOU SAY YOU RESPECT PEOPLE, BUT YOU ARE ONE HUGE LIAR. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN LIVE WITH YOUR SELF.

Christianity is about Faith and Relationship.

Stop trying to be confrontational/nonconfrontational at the same time. It doesn't work. Either call me a moron or don't.

I believe in evolution and I believe in God. If you can disprove that there is the existance of a God then do it.

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that is not true at all. just because you don't believe in him doesn't mean you will go to hell and suffer pain. as long as you don't commit a deadly sin or disgrace him, you should have a nice, long, enjoyable afterlife.
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WHAT!? If you don't belive in jesus christ as God's son you will not have a nice, long, enjoyable afterlife.. whatever you do or not do... the only way to have a nice, long, enjoyable afterlife (in heaven) is trough Jesus Christ...
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First off id like to say FUCK YOU!
stupid bum licker. im sure you get loads of friends and girls with that nice open mind of yours. First off when i was young i was a christian. as i learned more abotu the world i changed. i am now an aethiest with slightly buddhist belifs. such as reincarnation. but i honestly, with all my life belive that people like this little bum above are the scum of the race.

as my mum would say - no ofence to oter christians who dont do this - a bible basher

i hoenestly feel like coming down and PWNING you.



Good point hes a hypocrite. i strongly believe against god but dont like people who beleve in him so fiercely they would kill. i do respect thier belief however

haha, you're officially a moron now
It's YOU who has to prove that you right, it's not up to me to prove that something DOESN'T exist, that's the most illogical thing there is
(so you believe in Intelligent Design? -> I can live with that, until science comes with an explanation, and your surrogate explanation, which involves a magical fairy tale being, is flushed)

couldn't have said it any better.

king of colorado

tell me: what is logical about proving that something DOESN'T exist?

I can say: There are 1 billion kingofcolorado97 clones on a planet 50 million lightyears from the Earth. Prove me wrong
HAHAH
YOU have to give proof for your precious god!

Have you ever seen a billion dollars with your own eyes? I doubt it. But can you blatantly say that it doesn't exist just because you've never seen it?

No, person who I hope has multiple autistic children, I do not believe in intelligent design. I said flat out I BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION. Faith and science are separate, I am faithful that God created the universe. However I also know that we evolved from apes.

And how is asking you to disprove me illogical. You could say "prove that there are gravitational forces" and although I can't go out and catch a gravitational force in a bottle and show it to you, you still can't disprove me.

You need proof of God? Here's some proof: everything around you. You might say "it was created naturaly by the Big Bang" but then what caused the Big Bang?

Alright, let me start this off by saying that don't try to change someone's beliefs because it's really hard to do that. We should let people live however they're going to live and that's their problem. As for God, He does exist and is not part of our imagination. How is it that miracles happen? Is that a part of our imagination too? I don't think so. Science is unable to give explanations as to why certain things happen, so don't use science as an excuse.